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Cabling the Indian Ocean
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TimTDP
Expert Member
was this not posted before?
MielieSpoor
Expert Member
Had a quick scan through the article and it looks as if was posted before.
Kloon
Expert Member
I recall a article a few weeks back where Craig Not said it would take a while before consumers see any cheaper bandwidth.
Doesn't matter, everytime it's posted it makes me smile.
If fact, why can't it be posted everyday?
Rouxenator
Dank meme lord
Please stop publising false hope on this website. Numerous posters on these forums, as well as CEOs like iBurst MD, Alan Knott-Craig Jnr and John Holdsworth, CEO of telecoms provider ECN has warned us that Seacom will not automagically = low prices.
Remember, cables like these are a huge investement to make, and these investors will want exceptional ROI. That, and the fact that the SA consumers is the most easy to screw over will result in costs remaining the same OR increasing.
Remember, this is not just me, other people like respected CEOs are saying the same thing.
nictron
Senior Member
Seacom have already posted their prices and they are already much lower than Telkom's international rates. This should give us quite significant savings on the international side, we should see higher caps quite quickly but the entry cost to ADSL, 3G/HSDPA and CDMA technologies should stay the same.
I believe we will see quick results not too long after June! Higher caps at the same price!
I believe we will see quick results not too long after June! Higher caps at the same price!
Rouxenator
Dank meme lord
Exactly what I said - no change.
Rouxenator
Dank meme lord
The industry - and they are the "whom" who is going to profit from seacom. Not you or me - we are gonna keep on getting screwed over.
theJonster
Well-Known Member
Doesn't matter, everytime it's posted it makes me smile.
If fact, why can't it be posted everyday?
Be careful. Remember, the bandwidth will still be controlled by the current players. Rather wait and see otherwise you will be in for big disappointment.
nictron
Senior Member
To ensure more market penetration they will need to lower the prices, this will in turn lead to lower overall cost.
Being overly negative about this whole thing won't help, we have more facts now and we can use those to our advantage by doing what we have always done and prices will come down.
I believe by the end of the year the higher cap situation will look allot different, by end of next year we will see lower entry cost and compare to the rest of the world. One sad thing is that most other country ISP's are starting to enforce more restrictions on CAPS and QOS, though it is still 10x higher than our caps.
Being overly negative about this whole thing won't help, we have more facts now and we can use those to our advantage by doing what we have always done and prices will come down.
I believe by the end of the year the higher cap situation will look allot different, by end of next year we will see lower entry cost and compare to the rest of the world. One sad thing is that most other country ISP's are starting to enforce more restrictions on CAPS and QOS, though it is still 10x higher than our caps.
drukkie
Expert Member
Be careful. Remember, the bandwidth will still be controlled by the current players. Rather wait and see otherwise you will be in for big disappointment.
Look what another operator did for prices in the telecoms industry(free calls on weekends with MTN and vodacom also lowering prices)...any competition is good!
Whether we will benefit this year remains to be seen but if ISP are clever they would launch new products asap...
Pilgrim
Wugger
The big operators are trying their best to keep alive the delusion that bandwidth should cost a lot of money. They make the biggest profits from us and don't have what is best for the consumer at heart.
The investors that invested in the Seacom cable know what price Seacom plans to offer. It is a lot lower than SAT3 and yet they will get a good ROI at that price. Nobody ever tried to sell Seacom claiming that they will sell at SAT3 prices.
The only people that will try to profiteer from Seacom are the large companies like telscum, vodacom and mtn, perhaps even neotel. They will try to convince us that we should pay SAT3 prices for Seacom bandwidth. Bul$hit!
Thank heavens Altech won the court case. If ISPs were forced to use telscum or neotel infrastructure to operate then we would have been screwed bigtime. Now they can make the cost estimates and if it is cheaper to lay a fiber link than lease it, they will take the cheaper option.
So, what can we, the consumer, do? Stop believing the operator lies
Challenge your operator as to why you still have to pay R70 per gig once the Seacom Cable has gone live. Keep badgering them, refuse to believe any lies about how much bandwidth costs. Demand price reductions.
Rouxenator
Dank meme lord
Challenge your operator as to why you still have to pay R70 per gig once the Seacom Cable has gone live. Keep badgering them, refuse to believe any lies about how much bandwidth costs. Demand price reductions.
Fine, I'll CC you on those emails to Amobia. And it is R89 per GB for me. But I can bet you the excuses will be more or less.
* We have to pay off massive investments costs on our network.
* We are still bound to Telkom for the next x timeframe.
* We must wait x timeframe for the savings to trinkle down.
* We do not have to explain our pricing to end users.
* We are not forcing you to stay with us.
Now - if every ISP had that attitude then..... drumroll..... we would have the exact situation as currently.
So nothing is gonna change.
Pilgrim
Wugger
Please do. Also post their responses here, and on any other public place you can find. Let the world know that your service provider is taking their clients for a ride.
Publicly ridicule them. Ask them what a portion of their costs go to actual bandwidth prices. Then what cost reduction Seacom offers. Then ask why you don't see a proportional reduction as well?
Lets say 30% of your your R89 goes to SIAX or IS for bandwidth costs (absolute thumb suck figure here) and Seacom is 50% cheaper than SIAX or IS, then you should get a 15% price reduction, aka R75.65 per gig.
If not, you are taken for a ride! (again, business as usual in SA)
Rouxenator
Dank meme lord
Even at R75.65 per GB I would still feel like I am being given a solid 455 r4p1ng. All I want, and I don't care if it is Seacom or God himself that gives it to me, is 5c/MB out of bundle rate on Vodacom HSDPA. My Amobia phase is just because I refuse to get Telkom and I do not believe in discrimation between local and international traffic.