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Government is leaning on South Africa’s large mobile companies to bring down interconnection rates, according to industry insiders – a move that could dramatically lower call costs.
 
Funny thing is, the operators will probably make more money by dropping their prices. As it is; I'm very aware of how much time I spend making calls, so I try to keep it short since its very expensive.

If they drastically reduce prices, people might be more inclined to use their phones more often.
 
Neotel [and others] have been quick to hype themselves and tell the consumer they will be passing benefits onto the consumer,yet asking them about interconnection rates creates silence.
That was expected of telkom, but from Neotel thats a disgrace!

Now we can see the truth....
 
Meanwhile, Namibia’s telecoms regulator, which has only seven full-time employees and makes Icasa look over-staffed, has managed to drop interconnection rates by 43% in a nine-month process, something Icasa has been attempting to do for more than five years.
Oh, take that SLAP to the face ICASA!
:D :D :D
 
Neotel [and others] have been quick to hype themselves and tell the consumer they will be passing benefits onto the consumer,yet asking them about interconnection rates creates silence.
That was expected of telkom, but from Neotel thats a disgrace!

Now we can see the truth....

Huh???

From an article on mybb on 27 Jul:

Neotel, which as a new entrant is trying to wrestle market share from Telkom, also supports lower interconnect rates. “Neotel supports any proposal to address interconnection rates in South Africa, particularly termination rates, where these costs have not been derived in accordance with, nor reflect, market realities,” said Neotel.
 
Why is it that everyone is behaving as if the Minister is some kind of white knight, who should be given the discretion to impose arbitrary rules on companies that he feels aren't behaving? Isn't this exactly the kind of environment we've just got out of, and we need to avoid at all costs?

Why does everyone believe that these big bad guys that have been milking consumers for so many years are suddenly going to become good guys when asked to agree on a lower interconnection rate? Hasn't it crossed people's minds that they would only ever agree to a rate that doesn't really hurt them too badly, in return for maintaining these new rates for 5 years?

Why are people so eager to run to the constitution when they feel their rights have been infringed, but when there is a real prospect of a Chapter 9 (i.e. independent) institution being able to impose a pro-consumer regulation, they'd rather have a political solution? When the right thing is for ICASA to formally reduce interconnection rates, through the correct legal process, why does everyone want to throw the constitution out of the window, and let a cartel of big operators come to some cosy arrangement with the minister?

Does no-one have principles any more?
 
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I once heard someone say: "these are my principles, if you don't like them... I have others you might like beter".

Never trust a salesman (or a politician)!
 
This week former Vodacom chief executive Alan Knott-Craig entered the fray by stating at the Internetix Technology Conference that, in his view, interconnection rates could be cut by consensus, rather than intervention, to about 60c a minute.

Well Alan, interconnection rates were increased by "consensus" (fancy word for collusion) while you were VC's CEO. History will judge you by you actions, not the complete and utter BS pouring from the mouths in both your faces.
 
Why is it that everyone is behaving as if the Minister is some kind of white knight, who should be given the discretion to impose arbitrary rules on companies that he feels aren't behaving? Isn't this exactly the kind of environment we've just got out of, and we need to avoid at all costs?

Why does everyone believe that these big bad guys that have been milking consumers for so many years are suddenly going to become good guys when asked to agree on a lower interconnection rate? Hasn't it crossed people's minds that they would only ever agree to a rate that doesn't really hurt them too badly, in return for maintaining these new rates for 5 years?

all valid points. for myself a blended rate of 90c held for 5 years is really only about the depth of the gouging.

i am not sure that government intervention to lower interconnect rates could be classified as arbitrary - consider that it was government which legitimised the current rate in the first place they should do something about it. And it is hardly without precedent - the UK did something similar not long ago

Why are people so eager to run to the constitution when they feel their rights have been infringed, but when there is a real prospect of a Chapter 9 (i.e. independent) institution being able to impose a pro-consumer regulation, they'd rather have a political solution? When the right thing is for ICASA to formally reduce interconnection rates, through the correct legal process, why does everyone want to throw the constitution out of the window, and let a cartel of big operators come to some cosy arrangement with the minister?

putting your hopes in ICASA's hands is not going to work. they have basically admitted that they are helpless given the "complexities" of the law and the power of the mobile companies.

when would this "independent" entity get effective action?
1. amend the Act as they wish to: 18-24 months if you are very lucky
2. redo the already completed market study on call termination rates (http://www.ellipsis.co.za/inquiry-into-wholesale-call-market-termination/) including the public participation process (6 - 12 months based on the assumption that they will reuse what they have and the conclusions are dead simple anyway)
3. undertake the chapter 10 process of drafting pro-competitive conditions / interconnection pricing principles for call termination which will apply to the licences of those found to have Significant Market Power - given that the market is defined as e.g. call termination on Vodacom's network, this is all three mobiles + telkom (+?) who have 100% market share of termination on their own networks (not sure about the timing here but will be a very contentious public process as this will involve setting the rates and the manner in which they will be reduced so 12-18 months is an optimistic guess)

@ the end of which you will have litigation unless there is then sufficient media and political pressure to prevent this

reality check: the only people benefiting from this are shareholders (and, it would be argued, the country in terms of reinvestment into the network) while there are millions that it is directly disadvantaging
 
...send in the terminators... only way to get things done...

Wonder why all the sudden pressure on the service providers. Maybe it's because of 2010... or something else...
 
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for myself a blended rate of 90c held for 5 years is really only about the depth of the gouging.

Exactly. The bigger concern may be what the Minister may do when he discovers he's been conned by the mobile operators - which he will, eventually, when prices don't fall.

I chose the word arbitrary carefully - without any basis in competition or telecoms law, that's exactly what any change would be. Why should the Minister stop here? Why not set retail prices? Why not give up on the whole idea of competition altogether, and nationalise all the companies?

putting your hopes in ICASA's hands is not going to work

So why does it exist? Were the drafters of the law just misguided? Perhaps we shouldn't have a parliament either, if we can get things done more efficiently by appealing to a Minister.

Whilst the idea of a benevolent dictator is very attractive (for a given definition of benevolent), we've chosen to have a constitutional democracy because, in the words of Winston Churchill, "it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time".

Nevertheless, I suspect that you're right. The only way that we're going to get this right in South Africa currently is political pressure. But I think that we need to work on a proper process (starting with amending the Act) in parallel, so that we get a functional ICASA. If we don't, the only way anything is going to get done in future will be by appealing to the Minister (or his taste for Mercs...)
 
The sooner it's done the better or is Government cashing in on these interconnect fees...this process is really sloweer than a tortoise
 
Meanwhile, Namibia’s telecoms regulator, which has only seven full-time employees and makes Icasa look over-staffed, has managed to drop interconnection rates by 43% in a nine-month process, something Icasa has been attempting to do for more than five years.

What can be done?
- Dissolve ICASA
- Remove Government investment in the telecoms sector
- Fine VC & MTN and their CEO's at the time the interconnects were hiked, and the entire Telecoms Ministry at the time too, because gauranteed: they were all in it together.
- Jail time for those that can't pay the R10-million minimum fine.
- Donate cash to REAL charities (not "Cassaburri's Welfare Inc." or "Jacob's Shower Relief Fund.")
- Open up the industry to REAL competition (not spelled C-O-L-L-U-S-I-O-N)
- Any person working in the Telecoms Ministry is NOT allowed to be personally invested (or have family members personally invested) in any of the major players in the telecoms sector.
 
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Why should the Minister stop here? Why not set retail prices? Why not give up on the whole idea of competition altogether, and nationalise all the companies?

While I'm the 1st person to vote for capitalism and a free market, one has to recognise that there are instances that require intervention. I do think that the level of intervention can be concerning, but I've not seen any real threats of nationalising anything?

MTN and Vodacom are making a killing - I don't think anyone can deny that. In a free market, new entrants would come in, undercut them and profits would "normalise". This has not happened, probably due to high barriers to entry or maybe through anti-competitive behaviour. Either way, this entrenchment of MTN and VC, IMHO, is to the detriment of the consumer as we are not getting market prices as we should in a free market, but rather inflated oligopolistic pricing - and this is just reason to want intervention.
 
Something to think about.. Namibia is about 825k km^2 with a population of about 2mil compared to SA with ~48mil on 1250k km^2. What's the point?? well if their costs can be reduced like crazy in a sparsely populated area there is hell of a rip off going on here.
 
If the minister gets everybody to agree to an interconnect rate of 60c/minute, I sure hope they still ammend the ECA an still actively chase a lower interconnect rate. 50% of the current rate sounds good but not as good as 25% of the current interconnect rate. We should really have an interconnect rate of 30c/minute.
 
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