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Dolby

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I know many of you don't trust these figures, but here's about 50-odd PDF's of previous CAR magazine (coastal) tests so you can use as a guide :

http://www.cartoday.com/content/Magazine/RoadTests/index.asp


For those that aren't interested in ready, the following 0-100km/h times and 1km sprint (if the test is available) of a few more popular cars talked about on the forum ;) I'll start with one of the most dislike cars on the fourm ...

Toyota RunX RSI 8.54sec

VW Golf 4 GTI (110kw) 8.34sec

VW Citi 1.8 R Line 8.62sec

VW Polo 1.9TDI (96kw) 9.04sec

VW Polo GTI 8.24sec

VW Golf 5 GTI 7.67sec

Ford Fiesta ST 8.65sec

Ford Focus ST 7.49sec

Honda Civic Type R 7.75sec

Opel Astra 2.0 GTC 7.91sec

Mazda 6 MPS 6.39sec

BMW M3 (E90) 5.56sec

BMW 335i 5.7sec

Audi RS4 4.99sec

Audi A3 3.2 Quattro 6.85sec
 
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I know it as an indication of certain things (p_nis size perhaps :)) but it always fascinates me that so much emphasis is put on the 0-100 test... it is always mentioned long before the 100-0 test in most chest bashing and high fiving conversations!

If my car can get to 100 in only 10 seconds does it really make that much of a difference to my every day driving? Perhaps I will not be able to race the guy next to me between robots but surely there is more to driving a car that this....

Anyway, just my view... and I suppose it stems from again seeing an accident on the way home from the beach with a body lying under a silver space blanket.... we need to get rid of this mentality that speed makes you a man. It does not! Anyone can press an accelerator peddle...
 
I agree. It also comes down to on driving, if you really want to compare speeds, to how fast you can accelerate on the go, let's say from 60,80-100,120 or whatever. This is the acceleration that is most often made use of, since the only time you actually do 0-100 is if you try and beat the car at the robot (and in many instances you don't reach 100...).
 
0-100 in x.x seconds? As Froot stated, it's how you drive the car that will determine it's acceleration. Gear shifts, clutch control etc. determine who's the quickest.
 
LancelotSA said:
I know it as an indication of certain things (p_nis size perhaps :)) but it always fascinates me that so much emphasis is put on the 0-100 test... it is always mentioned long before the 100-0 test in most chest bashing and high fiving conversations!

If my car can get to 100 in only 10 seconds does it really make that much of a difference to my every day driving? Perhaps I will not be able to race the guy next to me between robots but surely there is more to driving a car that this....

Anyway, just my view... and I suppose it stems from again seeing an accident on the way home from the beach with a body lying under a silver space blanket.... we need to get rid of this mentality that speed makes you a man. It does not! Anyone can press an accelerator peddle...
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You have a - er - srange way of looking at things ;) For certain people they have an interest and a passion in cars and performance. There are many people that take performance into account - and many others like yourself that don't. Odd - eh? In addition 80% of the above cars are performance cars and performance is actually a criteria. There are 6 billion other people in the world besides LancelotSA that have differing interests and needs. I could have have done a saftey rating thread as well?

Pretty much the way my mother say does a 40" to a 42" make it that much better? 3000:1 or 6000:1 contrast really going to change my life? Does LCD or plasma really make a huge difference? Mac to a PC?

Or my uncle says it is really going to effect my life if we get a white pet shop kitten or a registered breed?

I even have an aunt that says does a BMW or a Mercedes make a huge difference? Both are getting me from A to B ...



froot said:
I agree. It also comes down to on driving, if you really want to compare speeds, to how fast you can accelerate on the go, let's say from 60,80-100,120 or whatever. This is the acceleration that is most often made use of, since the only time you actually do 0-100 is if you try and beat the car at the robot (and in many instances you don't reach 100...).
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genetic said:
0-100 in x.x seconds? As Froot stated, it's how you drive the car that will determine it's acceleration. Gear shifts, clutch control etc. determine who's the quickest.
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Correct - I'm not stupid and that's why I stated it was a guide ;) I too have been driving for years and also realise there are a variety of factors - but as a guide I see nothing wrong with posting.
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That should b M3. Im shocked 335 is so close to it....
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Dolby said:
Pretty much the way my mother say does a 40" to a 42" make it that much better? 3000:1 or 6000:1 contrast really going to change my life? Does LCD or plasma really make a huge difference? Mac to a PC?
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I do not race my 6000:1 contrast 40" LCD through the streets at night risking other people's lives, do I...??

There are 6 billion other people in the world besides LancelotSA that have differing interests and needs.
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Yes, and if those 6 billion lemmings choose a path which leads them off a cliff to their peril all good and well but this infatuation with speed and racing in the streets puts this lemming at risk. As said, this infatuation with speed and performance needs to be changed... I obviously cannot do it myself but I will not keep quiet when chats of speeding come up. You start a thread which I perceive to be glorifying speed (I draw this conclusion as no cars over 10 seconds for 0-100 have been quoted! :)) and I will comment.
 
Oh look, on the news, a car crashed into the ocean at Blue Lagoon on Durban... now the speed limit along that road is 60.... would you crash through a concrete barrier and end up in the ocean doing 60??? And without stereotyping too much we know that the majority of the people who frequent Blue Lagoon are big on speed and performance cars... perhaps I will refrain from assuming that we had someone trying to show his "larney" how quick his car could accelerate to 100......
 
LancelotSA said:
I do not race my 6000:1 contrast 40" LCD through the streets at night risking other people's lives, do I...??
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Ah. So it's really about whether it makes a difference in your life, like you first said? It's more the saftey concern ; had I know it would be easier to comment ;)



LancelotSA said:
Yes, and if those 6 billion lemmings choose a path which leads them off a cliff to their peril all good and well but this infatuation with speed and racing in the streets puts this lemming at risk. As said, this infatuation with speed and performance needs to be changed... I obviously cannot do it myself but I will not keep quiet when chats of speeding come up. You start a thread which I perceive to be glorifying speed (I draw this conclusion as no cars over 10 seconds for 0-100 have been quoted! :)) and I will comment.
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Well no - as I said they're performance cars. So why can't performance be a criteria? And once mentioned street racing? I didn't - and I don't condone it either ... stop assuming :P

LancelotSA said:
Oh look, on the news, a car crashed into the ocean at Blue Lagoon on Durban... now the speed limit along that road is 60.... would you crash through a concrete barrier and end up in the ocean doing 60??? And without stereotyping too much we know that the majority of the people who frequent Blue Lagoon are big on speed and performance cars... perhaps I will refrain from assuming that we had someone trying to show his "larney" how quick his car could accelerate to 100......
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Assumiung once again it was speed that caused that :/ Yes - there are accidents related to speed. But it's not 100% of causes. I think quite a few people in my family have had an accident - but not one (in my family at least) caused through excessive speed.

There's unroadworthy cars ... negligent drivers .... drunk drivers ... irresponsible drivers ... underage drivers ... unlicensed drivers .... and many other reasons.
 
Dolby... the car demolished a concrete barrier... now unless the guy was driving a military tank, it was speed...

You can argue all you want... I see it everyday. These guys in Toyota RunX RSIs, Ford Focus STs, Golf GTis all, okay the majority of them, think the streets are a race track and every robot is the starting lights for a Formula 1 grand prix!



EDIT : And to think i was busy typing my response while you were doing all that research... my single line still stands, I see it every day with my eyes... now they may not crash but I can tell you that their erratic drive probably causes a lot of those other accidents which then get classified as something else! Also the crash may have been categorised as drunk driving but do you think the person was doing 20km/h at the time?!?!?!?!?!?!

For someone opposed to racing in the streets you appear to be very defensive when someone questions the infatuation with speed that some people have...

HA HA HA just checked out one of your links and this is what it had to say.... "the greatest cause of most accidents is recklessness by the driver." Now in your eyes because it does not say speeding in as many words your argument wins! ha ha ha

2nd EDIT : In fact most of them say recklessness and driver error are the main cause, so thanks for the assistance with my argument. Now it does not take a rocket scientist to realise that the likelihood of driver error will increase with increased speed all other things being equal!
 
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I'm on my mobile - so I can't reply fully to everything you posted, but :

There was no rearch required. They're 1st few links on Google :)

Er - reckless can be anything? Yes - speeding can be reckless. But so can no lights at night? And overtaking on the inside the lane? Running red lights?

I see no backup of any arguments, Im afraid.
 
Ok, let me help relieve your blindness in not being able to see it... from one of your own "argument winning" posts, and this is shown first on it's list of most possible causes of accidents :


Driver Error – this unfortunate occurrence is among the universal causes of car accidents.

The usual errors committed by drivers which significantly contribute to crashes and other automobile accidents include the failure to give way or abide by the right of way, following another vehicle without putting considerable distance, speeding or driving past the recommended speed limit, unsafe passing, and flagrant disregards of set-up devices for traffic control.
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Now I chose to just highlight the actual wording that applies to your argument but we all know in reality that someone who is speeding is very likely to also tailgate another vehicle and partake in unsafe passing...

EDIT : That is just one of your kindly provided links... the others say very similar things but I am sure you know this because of course you did read them all before just posting them in support of your argument....
 
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You know, you seem like a person just intent on winning an argument - nothing else.

Anyway, back to the point. The initial argument was that speed is a major factor in accidents. All I was saying was that it wasn't the only factor.

What you highlighted shows speed being a factor (backing up your argument?) - but what the other 4x causes of accidents?
 
Dolby said:
You know, you seem like a person just intent on winning an argument - nothing else.
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Ha ha and you are not?

For all those that speed I expect no argument from you when you next see someone jump into a car and try to drive off when paralytically drunk; and no complaints when you see someone weaving in and out of traffic or skipping through a red robot, as all these things are seen as being causes of accidents but so too is speeding so what is good for the goose is good for the gander....

I cannot actually believe this even becomes an argument... it just goes to show how society has embraced speeding, and the apparent manliness it reflects, that it gets defended in such a manner!
 
just from personal experience from being in germany

Speed does'nt kill, if that was the case there would be loads of accidents on the autobahn.. the only thing that kills is the person driving the car, or lack of knowledge of road rules or driving rules at high speed. from personal experience its crazy to see how the people drive on the autobahn!! driving schools in germany are insanely brilliant on how to teach people to drive at high speed and still negotiate lane changing and rules of the road while doing 180km/h.. obvistly speed changes when you get off the autobahn down to usual speed limits and there are a few sections of the autobahn that have speed limits, but again its all down to driving skills.. like it would be scary to see a leaner driver drive a ferrari f430 of course she/he is going to crash it.. to much power to handle
 
Doomie, you said it though... the lack of speed limits is limited to the autobahn, and even then you state sections of it have limits. Now that would probably be because these sections are a little more dangerous. Now our roads have limits for a reason. Add to this that we don't have the "insanely brilliant" driving schools you refer to and the fact that many cars are not maintained in a condition suited to going 200 and you can see why the Autobahn argument does not hold here.... I bet you do not get people walking on the Autobahn as you do on the freeway here either? Now try stopping, or even swerving, in time if you are doing 250.... however at 120 your chances are a lot better.
Now tell me again that speed is not the issue.
 
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