CAR Magazine tests

lol.. now this thread is about crashing ? sigh.
 
Oh well, guess I can't support you Lancelot if you ignore me...:rolleyes:

Anyway, most accidents I think are caused by drunk and fatigued drivers, too bad we don't have drunk detector cameras. :(

Has anyone noticed all the damn crosses along the N14 next to straight pieces of the highway? Must be fatigue or drink I think, can't be speed.
 
LancelotSA said:
Doomie, you said it though... the lack of speed limits is limited to the autobahn, and even then you state sections of it have limits. Now that would probably be because these sections are a little more dangerous. Now our roads have limits for a reason. Add to this that we don't have the "insanely brilliant" driving schools you refer to and the fact that many cars are not maintained in a condition suited to going 200 and you can see why the Autobahn argument does not hold here.... I bet you do not get people walking on the Autobahn as you do on the freeway here either? Now try stopping, or even swerving, in time if you are doing 250.... however at 120 your chances are a lot better.
Now tell me again that speed is not the issue.
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the parts that are limited are the toll stations after that the speed limited is X

and true i cant compare autobahn to other places but i can compare to speed does'nt kill part:p (without proper training) and with most people in south africa that don't know how to drive speed does kill (no offence but its true) because of lack of understanding on how to at drive at high speed.. and i agree people that don't know how to drive at high speed should not be allowed at all!!! including people in GTI'S M3'S and so fourth
 
4cer ... thats because people with cars that do 0-100 in under 10 are irresponsible speeders that kill and cause accidents :/

Remember, speed is the number 1 cause of all accidents ...
 
Oh no not this argument again :D

Speed doesn't kill guys, it's the impact that does. Hitting a stationary object at 120km/h is equivalent to two oncoming cars hitting each other at 60km/h (assuming a constant mass of course). An impact at almost any speed will probably kill you.

So my concern is not that speed is bad, it's whether people in this country are adequately trained to handle speed. I think that if licenses were issued on the same basis as they are in Germany, less than 1% of our population would have one.
 
LancelotSA said:
I know it as an indication of certain things (p_nis size perhaps :)) but it always fascinates me that so much emphasis is put on the 0-100 test... it is always mentioned long before the 100-0 test in most chest bashing and high fiving conversations!

If my car can get to 100 in only 10 seconds does it really make that much of a difference to my every day driving? Perhaps I will not be able to race the guy next to me between robots but surely there is more to driving a car that this....

Anyway, just my view... and I suppose it stems from again seeing an accident on the way home from the beach with a body lying under a silver space blanket.... we need to get rid of this mentality that speed makes you a man. It does not! Anyone can press an accelerator peddle...
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The human species like to compete ... everything is a race ... from racing horses to cars ... just human nature i guess ...
 
Smooth Criminal said:
Oh no not this argument again :D

Speed doesn't kill guys, it's the impact that does. Hitting a stationary object at 120km/h is equivalent to two oncoming cars hitting each other at 60km/h (assuming a constant mass of course). An impact at almost any speed will probably kill you.

So my concern is not that speed is bad, it's whether people in this country are adequately trained to handle speed. I think that if licenses were issued on the same basis as they are in Germany, less than 1% of our population would have one.
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Ok we are not all reading the NCAP thread too so here you go :

This is mixing threads but we have the same OP so felt it best to keep this comment on this thread but I was having a look through the NCAP FAQ after reading Froot's comments and came across this in reference to them testing the frontal accidents at only 64km/h :

Should this not be higher given driving speed limits are higher?

Accident research shows that carrying out frontal impacts at 64km/h speed covers a large proportion of the serious and fatal accidents which occur. Even if the maximum speed limit is 120 km/h, few accidents occur at such speeds and where they do, it is beyond current capabilities to provide protection for the car's occupants.
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Speed does kill!
 
Dolby said:
4cer ... thats because people with cars that do 0-100 in under 10 are irresponsible speeders that kill and cause accidents :/

Remember, speed is the number 1 cause of all accidents ...
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Speed is in nearly all known events :p, even if you are standing and a meteor blows you and your car into smithereens, cause its moving.
 
Dolby said:
4cer ... thats because people with cars that do 0-100 in under 10 are irresponsible speeders that kill and cause accidents :/

Remember, speed is the number 1 cause of all accidents ...
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Not everybody with cars that that can do 0-100 in under 10 are irresponsible most are yes, but take my dad he's got a porsche carrera s that can do it in under 5 and iv never seen him drive fast or go over the speed limited ever, has'nt even got a speeding fine in the last 2 years he's had it, and he just wont drive fast (his excuse is there's no reason to) The people that are more likely to drive it fast are youngsters and my self:o and there the ones that crash
 
supersunbird said:
I can't see how speed would cause a straight line accident.
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Trying to avoid something on the road or something that appeared to be on the road? Leaning down to change stations on the radio? Tailgating someone else and misjudging? Trying to overtake due to your high speed and not getting the timing right? These come to mind immediately but I am sure there are plenty more..... and in most of these mentioned cases if the person was going a reasonable speed they would be less likely to lose control.
 
Smooth Criminal said:
No, the impact does. If you're driving along at 100km/h, does it kill you? :)

You could die in an accident at 100km/h too. Read the last paragraph of my post again. I think we might then be able to agree ;)
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No it's not... as stated by the NCAP researchers in a head on collision at 64km/h the occupants chance of survival is good (you can turn this into hitting a stationary object as I am not sure it is exactly double) even though there is still an impact!! At 120 they are not sure any current vehicle can save you. So it is not the impact, it is the force of the impact!
 
LancelotSA said:
No it's not... as stated by the NCAP researchers in a head on collision at 64km/h the occupants chance of survival is good (you can turn this into hitting a stationary object as I am not sure it is exactly double) even though there is still an impact!! So it is not the impact, it is the force of the impact!
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true 5 star NCAP cars FTW!!! wonder what uno's NCAP star is? half-star:p
 
It's a combination of things that cause an accident. They include; speed, reckless driving, driver fatigue, poorly maintained vehicle, damage to the roads... the list goes on...

A higher speed increases the likelihood of an accident as it gives you very little time to react in an emergency, it could be the cause of an accident in some situations. Although it might not always be a the cause, it is always a contributor.

Each accident has a different cause, but they generally share the same contributions.

There is no winner in this debate.
 
DOOMIE61 said:
true 5 star NCAP cars FTW!!! wonder what uno's NCAP star is? half-star:p
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Strangely enough the accident i saw on the way home today was an Uno... no other cars appeared to be involved but the Uno appears to have rolled (I am 99% convinced it was speed related due to the setting) and unfortunately there was one space blanket covered body already and another seriously injured individual present with a neck brace on....



The biggest annoyance of mine is that I can drive well under the speed limit and still be wiped out by some guy who feels the need for speed on our public roads... and yes, I can also fall victim to a drunk driver or any other road offence but this does not mean I will take it any easier on my criticism of people who speed and think it is cool to do so...
 
LancelotSA said:
No it's not... as stated by the NCAP researchers in a head on collision at 64km/h the occupants chance of survival is good (you can turn this into hitting a stationary object as I am not sure it is exactly double) even though there is still an impact!! At 120 they are not sure any current vehicle can save you. So it is not the impact, it is the force of the impact!
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Lol I know it's the force of the impact. However I don't trust those figures because their test conditions are not clear.

What was the mass of the vehicle? What was the mass of the other vehicle? This is obviously a very important factor since it contributes to the momentum (and hence the force). A fully loaded taxi weighing over 2 tons and moving at 64km/h (a very likely SA scenario) will cream an oncoming Citi Golf moving at the same speed. Everyone involved in that collision is at risk of losing their life.
 
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