Carnivore diet

Emjay said:
Seriously. You are arguing medical anomalies that occur in people with hormonal problems. I don't have the time to read through those studies. If there were some other way to lose weight, we would see it by now. Instead, we keep having these questionable diets pop up that mimic each other, when millions and millions of medical professionals state that we should be eating healthy balanced diets. Yet, when I point at mountains of evidence to show that people successfully lose weight by going into a caloric deficit, you want to argue these oddities.

Like I have said a a few times before: the general public that wants to lose weight do not suffer from these issues. Don't believe you need to be in a caloric deficit? But all means go ahead and eat whatever you want. It's not my body or health.
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Nope, the general public does! That is the point! Why do you think people are fatter than they have ever been? Why do you think diabetes affects more of the population than it ever has?

It is very convenient to blame people being lazy and gluttonous, but the reality is that there has been a real change in human diet over the last 100 years, and the results are clear. The closer a culture is a traditional human diet, the less that culture is affected by obesity and diabetes. The more Westernized the country, the higher rates of diabetes and obesity.

If the cure to obesity was so simple as to just eat less and move more, don't you think more people would have solved it? When you look at studies of ordinary people without hormonal issues finding it impossible to lose weight, you will begin to understand. They yo-yo. They lose weight for a month or two, and then they gain it again. Nearly everyone, irrespective of what they do. Are you telling me that all of these people - without fail - lacked willpower?

Just saying it is willpower is such a convenient excuse.

My point about the hormonal issues - which I am not surprised to see that you refused to engage with - is that either the calories in/calories out formula is correct or it isn't. There should be no exceptions, right? I mean, you believe it is the literal whole truth. That nothing else matters. That I could lose weight even I ate nothing but sugar every day, as long as the amount of sugar that I ate was less than my body needed in a day in terms of calories?

That is what you believe, isn't it?

Because, if that is what you believe, then I would like to hear why hormonal issues are an exception?
 
rietrot said:
There's no point if you just pretend to be a know-it-all without reading what the other person says.
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Ok, then please tell me how an overweight person should lose weight.
 
Ancalagon said:
No, it isn't water retention. Read this.
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Actually seems to be a mixture of both.

Although Prednisone has major beneficial effects regarding illness, it has also many side effects including weight gain caused by water retention. In addition, fat redistribution can affects patients taking corticosteroids. Many of them have fat pads in the back of the neck or other unusual areas of the body, which can be mistaken for lymph nodes[2]. Water retention leads to swelling and this is why patients gain weight and start looking puffy, especially around the face. Prednisone can also have a major impact on your food intake by increasing your appetite.
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http://www.prednisonefacts.com/prednisone-and-water-retention/

I can guarantee you that a major part of my weight gain was bloating (so water retention) and not fat pads or eating more (I wasn't at all with the loss of taste from the chemos).
 
Emjay said:
Ok, then please tell me how an overweight person should lose weight.
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I prefer fasting if I pick up a few extra kgs. The average obese person will lose weight if they just cut out sugar and carbs without necessarily eating at a calory deficit.
 
Ancalagon said:
Blah blah - could have copy and pasted from your old posts
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Do you really have such a short memory? We have had this discussion about 4 times now.

We are getting fatter due to the changing nature of the food we eat. Caloric density has gone through the roof and we are eating highly processed foods which mess with our hormones, which make us become addicted to food and stimulate our appetites to eat more. Round and round we go. FFS. Where did I say people have no willpower or are gluttons?

Eat a balanced diet with no processed foods to sort out hormonal problems. Diabetes is reversible. The damage can be undone through weight loss and proper calorie controlled eating. Simple. How do you lose weight?
 
rietrot said:
I prefer fasting if I pick up a few extra kgs. The average obese person will lose weight if they just cut out sugar and carbs without necessarily eating at a calory deficit.
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Ok, so you restrict calories. Fasting works well for some people as reduced insulin spikes from eating help keep your appetite under control. So my logic is still correct.

Please show me where there is proof of sustained caloric intake on a low carb diet and weight loss occurred.
 
Emjay said:
Ok, so you restrict calories. Fasting works well for some people as reduced insulin spikes from eating help keep your appetite under control. So my logic is still correct.
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Calories isn't everything. Hormones probably play a bigger role in why and how your body stores extra food. However yes if you restrict your intake you will lose weight there's no magic disease that can defy the laws of physics and keep you fat when you starve yourself.
 
Emjay said:
Do you really have such a short memory? We have had this discussion about 4 times now.

We are getting fatter due to the changing nature of the food we eat. Caloric density has gone through the roof and we are eating highly processed foods which mess with our hormones, which make us become addicted to food and stimulate our appetites to eat more. Round and round we go. FFS. Where did I say people have no willpower or are gluttons?

Eat a balanced diet with no processed foods to sort out hormonal problems. Diabetes is reversible. The damage can be undone through weight loss and proper calorie controlled eating. Simple. How do you lose weight?
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I remember that you stubbornly cling to the calorie hypothesis despite all evidence to the contrary.

Still wondering how you explain insulin injections making someone fat in the presence of a calorie controlled diet. Should be impossible according to you.
 
rietrot said:
Calories isn't everything. Hormones probably play a bigger role in why and how your body stores extra food. However yes if you restrict your intake you will lose weight there's no magic disease that can defy the laws of physics and keep you fat when you starve yourself.
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Sort out hormonal issues if you suffer from them, and the only option left is to calorie cut or to increase physical activity.

People want some magic bullet to help them lose weight. That's why we keep having these diets pop up. These diets are actually meant to help give you a way to easily maintain weight without feeling like you are being deprived. Low carb diets work because they are better at regulating your hunger and satiety hormones, so you don't feel like you need to eat as much.

Ancalagon said:
I remember that you stubbornly cling to the calorie hypothesis despite all evidence to the contrary.

Still wondering how you explain insulin injections making someone fat in the presence of a calorie controlled diet. Should be impossible according to you.
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I have very nicely explained my thought process and the science behind it. So, can you please explain how the body turns an energy source (any one) and explain how it gets stored as fat when there are energy demands on the body. Do you think that we can manipulate the body into needing more or less food to function (i.e. the amount of energy it burns)?
 
Emjay said:
I have very nicely explained my thought process and the science behind it. So, can you please explain how the body turns an energy source (any one) and explain how it gets stored as fat when there are energy demands on the body.
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Because the calories out portion of the equation depends on the calories in part of the equation. It is quite simple.

The relationship between calories in and calories out is not a simple "equals". There is an interdependency between the two. You alluded to it when you mentioned hormones like ghrelin - it is a pity you don't take the leap to the logical conclusion, which is that the equation is an oversimplification of the truth.
 
Rogan revealed that he has lost a total of 12lbs since the start of January, losing his ‘love handles’ and has “gained a tone of energy”.

He cited that his energy levels used to fluctuate somewhat and also mentioned to his listeners that he, in fact, suffers from an immune disorder known as ‘Vitiligo’ of which had appeared to improve since the diet – though he is unsure of the direct correlation.

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Joe Rogan reveals his new, stacked physique after a month of following the carnivore diet

Joe Rogan followed Carnivore diet for January
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If your choice is only meat then you're already dropping many added calories from other food sources.

Many have lost weight on the potato diet.
 
WaxLyrical said:
If your choice is only meat then you're already dropping many added calories from other food sources.

Many have lost weight on the potato diet.
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It's not about counting calories.
 
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