Carnivore diet

[jbrunevader]

You're barking up the wrong tree. Again - most vegans are trying to reduce animal suffering...they're not saying "THIS IS THE MOST BESTEST OPTIMAL DIET". Ja, there's some annoying vegans just like there's some annoying meat eaters but jeez, you're really going out of your way to make an enemy out of a group of people who are trying to make things better in a way they think works for them. I'm not going to defend veganism, but I will push back against your incomprehensible attempt at turning them into an enemy for reasons pedantic.

Rubbish... as with many things of this sort... they jump to critique stuff they have very little understanding of; the majority have no clue where their food comes from; including as example: farm techniques employed, manufacturing / production, etc.. They hurl insults that are simply not grounded in reality... I'd happily debate a knowledgeable vegetarian... but all the ones I used to know have switched to keto or carnivore. The whole "reduce animal suffering" is a perfect example of their ignorance of the real world, and nature.

This is also the carnivore thread so **** knows why we're debating veganism.

Exactly, that why they should have that type of discussion on a vegan / vegetarian thread -- keto / carnivores diet choices are fact based and grounded in reality; we love and care for our animals; and like many believe how they are reared directly impacts the quality of the meat -- hence we're very interested in how animals are treated, etc. Mistreated animals will never fetch top dollar and will most definitely taste crap in comparison.

Ps. I have no problem talking civilly to any interested party, but the kid gloves come off when this type of crap is posted.

Sorry I got confused...this wasn't me I was just channeling Jordan Peterson before his life imploded due to his benzo and beef addiction.

Don't be a JP - eating a wide variety of fresh fruit and veg is essential to your physical and mental wellbeing as well as a sustainable lifestyle for all humanity on earth

 

[jbrunevader]

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Vegans and Vegetarians... if you have not even dispensed with all these items; then I don't care about your opinion or "bleeding heart" BS... attend to the ignorance and duplicitousness in your own life... before you cluelessly try to meddle in the world at large, a world you clearly have no understanding of.

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[Tim_vb]

I think it very useful to debate the validity of beef and salt diet within the context of probably one of the most important western philosophers and leaders of our time - Jordan Peterson and his banging daughter.

To me they are the flag bearers of all the is right and white in the world fighting against vegetables at every turn. No world leader since GW Bush (in the great broccoli wars of of the 90s) has accomplished what JP has done for exclusively eating tasty animal flesh

 

[jbrunevader]

I think it very useful to debate the validity of beef and salt diet within the context of probably one of the most important western philosophers and leaders of our time - Jordan Peterson and his banging daughter.

To me they are the flag bearers of all the is right and white in the world fighting against vegetables at every turn. No world leader since GW Bush (in the great broccoli wars of of the 90s) has accomplished what JP has done for exclusively eating tasty animal flesh

Nope. Whilst I like Jordan for his intellectual contributions.
the rest is your opinion... and it's not shared -- they most certainly were not actively attacking other dietary choices; they simply figured out what worked for them. If anything it was Joe Rogan that shone a spotlight on their dietary journey and the dichotomy with what has been considered a healthy diet. Joe's own experience I think did even more to bolster the credibility of the claims.

Plus Jordan by carnivore standards was late to the game. Naturally everyone was happy for his and his daughter's positive outcomes, but it was expected -- they certainly were not breaking any new ground with their dietary choices.

 

[RiaX]

You guys dont get constipated on this diet or have irregular bowel activity ?

 

[jbrunevader]

You guys dont get constipated on this diet or have irregular bowel activity ?

Be prepared... a crap topic follows.


Nope.... normal bowel movements.
Although by carb standards; we probably need to expand on that; because with carbs the frequency of your bowel movements is directly and volumetrically linked to how much and how often you eat (including snacks).

Also with a carb diet; most of what you eat cannot be processed and will be expelled; whereas with carnivore; what we eat is by in large processed for energy and hence we need less meals and poop less. Depending on consumption; you could be anywhere between a solid rabbit dropping and a mid to long solid turd.

As example on Carnivore:
I cope quite comfortably on a single large meat based meal per day; late afternoon. My bowel movements are on average every second to third day, and very small in proportion to carb poops. My snack food is a combination of dry wors; biltong and coffee, although there are limited to no cravings.

As example on Carb, etc.
Prior to carnivore; on a more carb heavy diet; I would eat a typical English breakfast in the morning; a more moderate meal at lunch, and a much heavier carb meal in the evening. My bowel movements were typically 1 to 2 times per day; most often directly proportionate to the volume of carbs I consumed at the last sitting. A big binge would result in an equally big bowel movement. Cravings are the order of the day... in between snacking was almost guaranteed every day; especially if sugary drinks were involved.

The other important factoid is that on carnivore you hardly ever fart; I'm typically only a bit flatulent just before I need to have a bowel movement. The opposite is true on the carb heavy diet; the more carbs, fibre and fruit; the more I'm bloated and the more I farted like a trooper. Fruit and curries would always produce the worst kind of farts; farts that would clear a room. On Carnivore... manners are the default; no lingering stank, and no earth rumbling farts.

Ps. transitioning to carnivore will however result in a limited period of abnormal bowel movements; quite often; some minor level of diarrhoea is experienced in the 1st week, but that quickly dissipates; thereafter you'll be regular by carnivore standards.

 

[RiaX]

very interesting thanks. Anyone with IBS trying this diet ?

 

[jbrunevader]

very interesting thanks. Anyone with IBS trying this diet ?

Although not quite the same; I had for a number of years a reoccurring bout of painfully infected diverticulitis prior to carnivore; going carnivore completely cleared it up for me... now its more than a decade without issues, and I enjoy on a limited occasion a beer, cider and even carb for a day (once per week works fine for me).

You can however find quite a few experiences of this on youtube (re carnivore).

Unlike Keto; Carnivore's approach completely eliminates all the foods that cause digestion and bowel issues... and then in time you can like me selectively experiment with limited addition of carbs e.g. to be able to enjoy a party with cake; or have a braai with friends with all the toppings. For me at least restricting this to a single day is manageable without any bad and/or lingering side effects.

I'd suggest trying it for a month; to see if it works for you.

 

[RiaX]

No no I'm not going to do this I'm just getting feedback to add to my knowledge this diet is new to me.

It seems like a basic high protein high fat macronutrient diet ? Just using animal proteins and fats as the base

 

[Tim_vb]

I found this episode of Decoding the Gurus particularly interesting and informative when shaping my views of the carnivore diet...

"The hosts are certainly in no position to criticise someone for what they eat, with Matt unable to resist a Fosters and shrimps on a barbie, and Chris subsisting entirely on potatoes and Guinness.

But... neither host have yet attempted to live on an all meat diet.

Which is a shame, because according to Mikhaila Peterson and many others, meat and only meat is what you need. Sure, it's on the edgier part of the fad diet spectrum. But according to proponents: inflammation, depression, chronic Lyme disease - you name it, meat cures it.

In this episode you'll learn about the surprising diversity of customised, bespoke, and finely-tuned all-meat diets that are out there. You'll also learn more about Chris' two mortal enemies, the British and the Fish, and how Matt's snacking proclivities mean he is in perilous danger of becoming a fungus zombie.

More substantively, Mikhaila provides an interesting entry point to dig a little deeper into the psychological, psychosomatic, and physical problems that lead people into adopting this kind of restrictive practice. Just as Jordan Peterson discussed the truly horrific and destructive powers unleashed by sipping apple cider, there seems to be a common theme of attributing HUGE and dramatic powers to dietary choices. All of which is connected to existential concerns about what we put into our body, magical thinking about health and wellness, heuristics about purity, and anxieties about personal control. Get ready for lots of anecdotal reasoning and emotional testimonies of those with meat based lived experience.

Could an all meat diet be for you? Tune in, and find out!"

Mikhaila Peterson: The Marvelous World of Meat

 

[BBSA]

 

[Tim_vb]

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Looks like mine if you just add cauliflower, broccoli, carrots and roast sweet potatoes

 

[Tim_vb]

Has anyone hear heard of crab salts? They are saying that they create an immunity boosting spike effect of over 100%. I found a discussion in the podcast below

https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/r5e1t3

 

[LCBXX]

You guys dont get constipated on this diet or have irregular bowel activity ?

I get constipated when I eat bread/pizza/cake/etc, basically anything that is made with flour. Foods with added sugar gives me this shiits; eating cake is so God-damn delicious but then I am both bloated, inflamed, crampy and I have the shiits.

 

[BBSA]

You guys dont get constipated on this diet or have irregular bowel activity ?

Not at all, in fact it solved some of my issues.

 

[Tim_vb]

Also there are no obese carnivores.

Is this really true? Thats one hell of a broad assertion given that just one observation of an obese carnivore disproves your hypothesis.

Also Gorillas are ripped because they are vegetarian and bugs are vegetables because both bugs and vegetables lack feelings even if though bugs make vitamin B12 just like other herbivores do in that they don't but rather the bacteria in their gut does that makes the bacteria inside a herbivore a carnivore

 

[BBSA]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1467221837197475841

 

[jbrunevader]

Is this really true? Thats one hell of a broad assertion given that just one observation of an obese carnivore disproves your hypothesis.

In the context of humans... yes... because any obese carnivores would clearly not be strict carnivores... they'd most certainly be chomping on an excess amount of carbs.

In the broader context; it's also quite true; with probably the exception of bears... but their systems; specifically their liver is adapted to converting meat + fat to stored body fat...however unlike humans; the weight gains that bears make will not lead to diabetes... plus you won't find any fat humans that can hibernate through winter.

Polar bears are again also very unique; they also have livers that can produce a lot of stored fat without negative consequences, and they have also evolved to tolerate extreme levels of vitamin A; levels that would be toxic for humans -- it's why we can't eat a polar bear's liver.

Also Gorillas are ripped because they are vegetarian and bugs are vegetables because both bugs and vegetables lack feelings even if though bugs make vitamin B12 just like other herbivores do in that they don't but rather the bacteria in their gut does that makes the bacteria inside a herbivore a carnivore

Bugs are not vegetables.
Some bugs are carnivores, and others are omnivores, and yet others are vegetarians.

Without the consumption of bugs the Gorillas would not survive; the same can't be said about the vegetable aspect of their diet.

In comparison a ruminant's system has evolved to specifically cope with vegetation only; through the help of the microbiota in their rumen; vitamin B12 and other essential nutrients are produced. Specifically its the prokaryotes organisms; in the rumen microbiota; that manufacture vitamin B12. More than that ruminants digestive systems through a process of fermentation and enzymatic action break down vegetation to VFA (volatile fatty acids) and fats; their primary energy supply.

Gorillas in contrast don't have a complex digestive system like a ruminant.. hence they're dependent on consuming insects or other meat sources to survive (for vitamin B12, and other nutrients).

 

[jbrunevader]

No no I'm not going to do this I'm just getting feedback to add to my knowledge this diet is new to me.

It seems like a basic high protein high fat macronutrient diet ? Just using animal proteins and fats as the base

Yes... and not all proteins are equal; protein derived from meat is far more beneficial and easier absorbed than protein from vegetables. As for fat; out livers convert excess carbs to fat; and cannot convert fat to fat. Most fat is high in saturated fat and cholesterol; which are great sources for energy. Fat is also more satiating than pure protein; and hence why on carnivore we typically want to avoid lean meats.

 

[Tim_vb]

In the context of humans... yes... because any obese carnivores would clearly not be strict carnivores... they'd most certainly be chomping on an excess amount of carbs.

In the broader context; it's also quite true; with probably the exception of bears... but their systems; specifically their liver is adapted to converting meat + fat to stored body fat...however unlike humans; the weight gains that bears make will not lead to diabetes... plus you won't find any fat humans that can hibernate through winter.

Polar bears are again also very unique; they also have livers that can produce a lot of stored fat without negative consequences, and they have also evolved to tolerate extreme levels of vitamin A; levels that would be toxic for humans -- it's why we can't eat a polar bear's liver.


Bugs are not vegetables.
Some bugs are carnivores, and others are omnivores, and yet others are vegetarians.

Without the consumption of bugs the Gorillas would not survive; the same can't be said about the vegetable aspect of their diet.

In comparison a ruminant's system has evolved to specifically cope with vegetation only; through the help of the microbiota in their rumen; vitamin B12 and other essential nutrients are produced. Specifically its the prokaryotes organisms; in the rumen microbiota; that manufacture vitamin B12. More than that ruminants digestive systems through a process of fermentation and enzymatic action break down vegetation to VFA (volatile fatty acids) and fats; their primary energy supply.

Gorillas in contrast don't have a complex digestive system like a ruminant.. hence they're dependent on consuming insects or other meat sources to survive (for vitamin B12, and other nutrients).

Thats a pretty quick narrowing of the definition of carnivore there but it is useful to stick to hums when discussing human nutrition and not bug and lobsters

So your theory would be disproven if we were to find out that gorillas do in fact derive enough b12 from their herbivore diet. Say for example they have beneficial bacteria that generate b12 in their large gut where they can also absorb this b12 - all without an animal source.