Chromebook Pixel unveiled

BeVonk! said:
Where did I use the word "desktop"? I said computing.

And if by "this" you mean this specific Google device then you also miss what I'm saying.

My argument is that the Chrome OS is taking computing to be completely cloud based, ie everything happens in the cloud and the results come to a device used anywhere where the cloud is accessible. This is pushing computing into new territory, and by computing I mean a multitude of interconnected devices that sync and work through the cloud with no reliance on software pre-installed on any device. I can therefore use the same application on any suitable device that has access to the cloud with all my personal settings and data available. I can work on one device at work and another at home without carrying any data or having the software installed on both machines. I don't need anything pre-installed. The security for the software can then be actively managed/updated on the servers instead of on each device I own. That to me is a revolution in computing. But I'm again - as usual on here - standing alone with my argument.
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Chrome OS isn't particularly new in being cloud based. This used to be called a Thin Client - Fat Server model, and has been available for over 20 years. And it suffers from the exact same flaws as ChromeOS. Because it is exactly the same thing.

Hence MacOS/Windows 8/iOS etc all being hybrids that allow for either cloud based or local, depending on need.

But this article and product is not about ChromeOS, which has been out for ages. This is about the Pixel.
And this device doesn't push the boundaries of anything other than price.
 
cerebus said:
No, the idea of a purely cloud based device is great, honestly. It is innovative and aggressive. I just don't Chromium is yet ready for it in its current state. All the desktop services are half-baked. It would also be a serious option if it was say $700 because the hardware does seem great (except who thought it would be a good idea to pair an HD4000 with a 2560 screen? It's like running a battleship on a lawnmower engine.) but as it stands the bang/buck is completely nonexistent - and that's what Google is supposed to be specialising in.
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As I stated earlier it is early days ... Google cutting a new path through the jungle with many dangers and obstacles still there. In no way are we "there" yet. I stated that Google is making a statement with Chrome OS that they are the first to do this and want it recorded as such. With this specific device they want to say: "All will be catered for, incl. those willing to pay more for quality and style". Google is not trying to create a hot seller here. This device is just a raising of a (very expensive) flag to draw attention ... marketing budget stuff.

Yes, I am repeating myself, but that is how all these discussion go.

Cerebus, at least you get it ... the power of pure cloud computing. That is what excites me ... but we have serious challenges in this country in that regard ... and with ICASA the way it is we may be left behind.
 
BeVonk! said:
As I stated earlier it is early days ... Google cutting a new path through the jungle with many dangers and obstacles still there. In no way are we "there" yet. I stated that Google is making a statement with Chrome OS that they are the first to do this and want it recorded as such. With this specific device they want to say: "All will be catered for, incl. those willing to pay more for quality and style". Google is not trying to create a hot seller here. This device is just a raising of a (very expensive) flag to draw attention ... marketing budget stuff.

Yes, I am repeating myself, but that is how all these discussion go.

Cerebus, at least you get it ... the power of pure cloud computing. That is what excites me ... but we have serious challenges in this country in that regard ... and with ICASA the way it is we may be left behind.
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You say "I stated that Google is making a statement with Chrome OS that they are the first to do this and want it recorded as such", but once again, cloud based desktop's were done many, many years ago (And are still done). Don't you remember with NeXT you could have your same desktop/files/folders/etc on any machine that you logged into?
And they suffer from the exact same problems that Chrome OS does,

Don't get me wrong, more and more will move to the cloud, and that is potentially good. But this is not an article about ChromeOS. This is about the Pixel. Which pushes nothing other than price
 
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BeVonk! said:
As I stated earlier it is early days ... Google cutting a new path through the jungle with many dangers and obstacles still there. In no way are we "there" yet. I stated that Google is making a statement with Chrome OS that they are the first to do this and want it recorded as such. With this specific device they want to say: "All will be catered for, incl. those willing to pay more for quality and style". Google is not trying to create a hot seller here. This device is just a raising of a (very expensive) flag to draw attention ... marketing budget stuff.

Yes, I am repeating myself, but that is how all these discussion go.

Cerebus, at least you get it ... the power of pure cloud computing. That is what excites me ... but we have serious challenges in this country in that regard ... and with ICASA the way it is we may be left behind.
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You still haven't answered my question.
 
Fudzy said:
Maybe we should ask him what current applications are being advanced by Chrome OS.
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Fudzy, you talking about his stupid question?

Applications? Clear that term up please. Applications like in software or applications like in "what use/benefits/market does it have?"

I'm not dealing with the former here. If the latter, then I have answered it already. What about "fast, easy and secure for those mostly using the internet" didn't you get? That is what Chrome OS is about and for whom it is meant. I've made that clear enough and repeat myself yet again.
 
Ok how about this... why is Chromium faster, easier and more secure for those using the internet than say... Chrome browser with sufficient ram on a Windows machine?
 
cerebus said:
Ok how about this... why is Chromium faster, easier and more secure for those using the internet than say... Chrome browser with sufficient ram on a Windows machine?
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Go read the link I provided and then think about it. No boot-up time. Software on the server updated all the time. Safety switch for developers. Etc. It's all there.

Are we going to go into yet another infinite loop here? Same stuff repeated over and over ...

Had enough. Better things to do than playing the infinite loop game.
 
Google laptop shows Apple a thing or two

Google's Chromebook Pixel has two killer features that MacBooks don't. Maybe it's time for Apple to rethink the MacBook concept.

Thank you, Google. For obsoleting my MacBook.

Question: What two killer hardware features are missing on MacBooks? My answer: a touch screen and 4G.

What a coincidence. Just what Google is offering on the Chromebook Pixel. And in a package that comes close to matching the MacBook's aesthetics. (I'm focusing strictly on the hardware for the moment.)

Google is saying, at least in the case of touch, hey Apple, you don't get it.

Not everyone may agree with that. Take the laptop flat-earthers. They will say touch is stupid (or "pointless" as one columnist said) on a laptop. Yeah right, just like the mouse was a stupid idea.

Then there's Apple's your-arm-wants-to-fall-off on vertical touch surfaces excuse. That will eventually give way to a touch-screen MacBook of some sort. You heard it here first.

The point is, Google knows (they're not stupid) that touch is important on a laptop. As does Microsoft (Windows 8 and Surface). That leaves Apple in Luddite land.

4G: And some might say that a Chromebook needs 4G more than a MacBook because the Chromebook is so immersed in the cloud. Hmm, my MacBook spends lots of time in the cloud too. And the last time I used it on the road, I was constantly hauling out my Verizon MiFi or running down my iPhone's battery with the Personal Hotspot. Come on, LTE belongs in a laptop.

And the operating system? I believe that cool hardware is the first step in luring consumers to a new operating environment.

While Chrome OS is still a work in progress (and lacks key features that many users need), with the success of Android, I do think it's possible that an improved Chrome OS combined with a second-generation Chromebook Pixel could reel in more consumers.

Google certainly has my attention.
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Linky... http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...thing-or-two/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=readMore
 
BeVonk! said:
Go read the link I provided and then think about it. No boot-up time. Software on the server updated all the time. Safety switch for developers. Etc. It's all there.

Are we going to go into yet another infinite loop here? Same stuff repeated over and over ...

Had enough. Better things to do than playing the infinite loop game.
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What happens when you don't have an Internet connection? Like on a flight or in a developing country? Magnates of industry are often in those scenarios. The whole Chromebook concept seems limited by comparison to a normal notebook.
 
BeVonk! said:
Fudzy, you talking about his stupid question?

Applications? Clear that term up please. Applications like in software or applications like in "what use/benefits/market does it have?"

I'm not dealing with the former here. If the latter, then I have answered it already. What about "fast, easy and secure for those mostly using the internet" didn't you get? That is what Chrome OS is about and for whom it is meant. I've made that clear enough and repeat myself yet again.
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You implied this expensive hardware was made for people who needed this tech when a regular notebook or even Ultrabook wouldn't do. I want examples.
 
BeVonk! said:
You don't get it Fudzy <snip>
No amount of explanation will stop you from going on and on and on ...
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Quit acting like a petulant child. He's asking for real use cases... you're just giving marketing spiel. It's all about the cloud etc; but ok, when exactly? People who 'always want to be on the internet' can do so just fine on a regular notebook.

I get Chromium, really, I've thought about installing it on my spare laptop which is getting outdated on Windows; Chromium would give it a nice performance boost and extend its lifespan since the only things it's good for are what Chromium specializes in; internet surfing etc.
 
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BeVonk! said:
You don't get it Fudzy <snip>
No amount of explanation will stop you from going on and on and on ...
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Insults aside (hope you get an infraction btw) Have you actually used ChromeOS?
 
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