console vs pc

Well lets rather not use the PS2. At no point was the Emotion in the PS2 ever the strongest in any console. It's just that it won out over the other consoles available then.

The reason I mentioned AA in CGi movies is because they knwo most sets are 480/576 and should they employ lower levels of AA it would detract from photo realism.
800x600 was never a good resolution to use nor is 1280x1024 actually, but at 1200 on the vertical then things start to look a bit better. Maybe cause I haven't played 800x600 since '97, but either way, we should all be moving to high res.

Photo realism is another issue entirely, but the quickest way to get there is to not have jaggies and low res bring jaggies. If I had it my way, minimum req for a game would be 1280x1024. ;)
 
ShockG said:
Numbers wise, the Consoles blow any Desktop CPU out the water and then some.
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A PS3 is about as fast as a 800Mhz PIII in terms of execution speed :).

http://digg.com/hardware/PS3_equals_800_Mhz_Pentium_III?cshow=

Now there are a few good reasons why a console based CPU (XBox/PS3) rather excel at 3D games but suck at generally anything else computing wise i.e the specialized vector execution units and very insane available bandwidth to main and graphics memory.

Also desktop CPU's are capable of out of order execution unlike their simpler cousins in the consoles (they lack it for cost reasons).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-order_execution

Why do you think Apple never bothered using the wonder Cell processor when offered to them by Sony in it's products but decided to switch to Intel Core architecture ???.
 
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scotty777: me 2, do you attend alot of lans? thats the only thing really stopping me going the console route
 
No no no no...
Please people need to stop doing this. You can't compare the general processor that is the P3 or any other desktop CPU to an console CPU or GPU for that matter. They have vastly different intentions and applications. Befroe I carry on, please not that APples descision to go with Core2 has nothing to do with power, but practicality, yields and most importantly costs. Most of all the Cell is not suited to general purpose computing.

Once again be careful what you read and where from, most importantly context.
Take the same P3 800MHz and ask it to chuck around as many vertices as the Cell, I'm talking simple transformations like a rotation around a given axis and you'll see that the P3 pales in comparison, in fact it wouldn't even show up had you to graph the results.

When I say numbers, I'm talking raw calculation numbers in FLOPS. Desktop CPU's just aren't designed that way and for good reason as well.

Nothing in the console is a direct comparison to the PC.
Take for instance the NV2A that nVidia built for the XBOX. That was a half GF4, pseudo GF3 chip. By rights all it could do was PS1.1 and VS.1.0, but had some features similar to PS1.4 which was not present on any nVidia gfx card, yet this chip could put out numbers better than those of the GF4 and GeForceFX which despite itself was faster than the GF4 by a bit too.

Add to which the XBOX was a straight P3 CPU, not the monster we have in the 360 today. The consoles don't have to be good at anything else, because they don't do anything else. That's like faulting Mike Tyson for not being able to spell.
 
scotty777 said:
ok i m still wondering whether to upgrade my computer or to get a console
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Do you have a HD television? dont even consider getting a console unless you have a decent HD display.
 
But thats for the same reason Stevie Wonder cant read.. hes black.

lolololololol racist jokes. rofflemao.
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And so am I. Don't see what that has to do with the Console vs PC debate.
I think I'll stay black and informed than different and ignorant :D
 
Fudzy said:
scotty777: me 2, do you attend alot of lans? thats the only thing really stopping me going the console route
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You can also Lan with the XBOX, almost all the games now have the ability to system link through hubs. There is even a Carry case for the XBOX to keep it nice and snug while traveling

Brawler said:
Do you have a HD television? dont even consider getting a console unless you have a decent HD display.
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Oh HOG WASH! Just because you dont have a HD TV does not mean that the games are going to look crap! They might not look as good as intended, but hell most of the games I've got look much better on the XBox than they do on my PC, and I dont have a HD TV.

Half of the TV's out there on the market are not even ture HD TV's in SA yet so that statement is a load of bull

ShockG said:
Once again be careful what you read and where from, most importantly context.
Take the same P3 800MHz and ask it to chuck around as many vertices as the Cell, I'm talking simple transformations like a rotation around a given axis and you'll see that the P3 pales in comparison, in fact it wouldn't even show up had you to graph the results.
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If you read the article TD posted, you'll see they were talking about running Linux based programs and getting the same speed as P3 800MHZ... So to the guys above who are so happy that the PS3 will have Linux on it.. Will be in for a big surprise, I understood that section to mean.. if you want to use linux.. save the money and by a damn PC rather than get a PS3
 
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That's a rubbish argument. It's a console not a linux box. It's like getting the XBOX360 running Vista and saying it gives the same speed as 1.4GHz P4 running Vista.
And that's relevant how? It's a console and as far as consoles go it'd damn good. A P3 800Mhz is not a console and can't play any game today that's worth being on the PS3. This is one of the reasons why people who are pro linux come across as morons sometimes. The linux on the PS3 serves a specific function which is to play games and other streaming content. That's what it's built for. The OS is customized to suite the hardware not the other way round.

hell most of the games I've got look much better on the XBox than they do on my PC, and I dont have a HD TV.
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Like which ones?
BTW this argument will only be valid if you game at maximum detail in the said game(s) on the PC on a good gfx card.
 
ShockG said:
That's a rubbish argument. It's a console not a linux box.
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This is one of the reasons why people who are pro linux come across as morons sometimes. The linux on the PS3 serves a specific function which is to play games and other streaming content. That's what it's built for. The OS is customized to suite the hardware not the other way round.
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Which was exactly my point, and you said it as well... but you said it so much better.. I didn't want to call them all idiots for being happy that it works on linux, though I have to agree on that, The console is just that.. a console, regardless of what OS it runs, If you want the console though because of the OS ir runs.. much better to get a PC to run your linux box because the PS3.. is not designed to do much more than play games and movies, which is why they can all get away with running out-of-order CPU's and sell them for much less because they are cheaper to design

ShockG said:
Like which ones?
BTW this argument will only be valid if you game at maximum detail in the said game(s) on the PC on a good gfx card.
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Almost all of them.. and you answered the question as well... I cant afford to buy a 4k-6k graphics card for my PC right. So on the Xbox right now they look much better than my PC on a standard TV. They will look much better on a HD TV I agree, but my point there was its Bullsh1t to tell somebody not to get a XBOX or PS3 because they dont have a HD TV
 
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ShockG said:
And so am I. Don't see what that has to do with the Console vs PC debate.
I think I'll stay black and informed than different and ignorant :D
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It has nothing to do with the debate, just putting it out there :/

Im just messing around btw, joking you know.I thought all those lolol's and roffel's might explain it.

Hmm console vs PC hey.. Death to the console. I would never buy a PS3 rather than upgrade my PC. I am also technically in the same boat, I am busy upgrading my PC, and instead I could buy a PS3 if I wanted but it never even crossed my mind.
 
Fudzy said:
scotty777: me 2, do you attend alot of lans? thats the only thing really stopping me going the console route
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dude i go to a len every two weeks, i love them. but with the new consoles you can play online and have lans with them ( in games like unreal tournament 2007)
 
BUT theres another point im gonna put up the flag pole to see which way it blows: and it is FUTURE PROOFING, what im comcerned about is spending R8000 on my pc where is will last max 2 years, where as a console i could spend R8000 (im using the ps3 coz it's the same price as my computer upgrade) and it would last 4 to 5 years, but in those 2 years of the pc it will bend the consoles and smack them around graphics wise.

With the consoles they'll just need new games, with raises my next point, pc games are R300 at most for the lastest and greatest game, the same game on console is like R500+, so would i make my money back with my pc with lower cost of games??? BTW i buy,play and finish 90% of my games in a month( oblivion took a month and 2 weeks) and sometimes a would get two games in a month! Im what you call a hard core gamer with just to much time on my hands...but any way, i no the best solution would be to buy both, but like many, i don't have money to splash around, gotta be one
 
Unfortunately for PC's in some ways progrerss is very very fast gfx wise. There actually isn't a gfx card that has lasted two years since DX7 because API updates came far too quick and obviously the hardware followed.
DX9 is one API that lasted the longest, but under different forms so that's a max 2 year life span eve. Having said that however if you bought a 6800Ultra back in April 2004. Chances are you can play most games at reasonable settings and a gfx card almost 3 years old now (will be in April again). With DX10 they'll last even longer provided you buy at the high end.

Consoles don't have this prob and that's why I always have to have a console be it PS3 or XBOX I will be buying one sometime soon. But only for specific games, I'm not interested in most titles except the car ones. GT for PS3 or PGR3 for XBOX (DOA for 360 and T6 /SC4/ VF6 for PS3)
 
thatr still doesn't answer my question shock g, ok i've worked out that if i get a game a month and on console thats R500 a game and on pc its about R300 a game, so if a graphics card lasts a year with better graphics that a console. so the total cost of console games over a year would be R6000 and the total cost of pc games would be R3600, that means its a R 2400 saving on games with pc, but with that R2400 i could buy ram or cpu or mobo or a graphics card. so im still wondering if its worth getting a upgrade or console coz at the end of the day they cozt the same.

but the big up for the pc is the fact that the pc's graphics will put the consoles graphics to shame and i can still do things like documents, and print and things the a console can't, but with the consoel i don't have to worry about upgrades and stuff, all i gotta do is buy the game and play. Thje console also can be used as a media centre for music, to play blu-ray/ hd-dvd movies, and normal videos that your computer has.
 
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but the big up for the pc is the fact that the pc's graphics will put the consoles graphics to shame and i can still do things like documents, and print and things the a console can't, but with the consoel i don't have to worry about upgrades and stuff, all i gotta do is buy the game and play. Thje console also can be used as a media centre for music, to play blu-ray/ hd-dvd movies, and normal videos that your computer has.
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The initial qn was do you upgrade or buy a console right? As you already have a PC you can still do those thing regardless of any upgrading you do now so its hardly a determining factor is it? IOW you dont lose that functionality either way.
 
Well i've been a PC gamer for ages....and then decided to buy a PS2 just for the fun of it....been playing GT4,DMC3.5 en FF-X....and...emm...to make a long story short...i kinda like sold my PC :D ...yep console gaming rules...and i'm saving up for PS3...looking back at PC gaming I just realize on what i've been missing on in the console world...well that's my 2c

P.S. as for Xbox 360...I don't like it...don't like how it look...hate the controllers...and it's all mostly PC games ported to the console...F.E.A.R,Halo,UT,Quake ...(FPS is not a console strongpoint anyway)
whereas the sony console has the game type I like (as mentioned above)
 
@ Scotty777, its only the latest games that cost around R500.00 BTW, and if your bying the latest PC games, you can pretty much expect to pay almost the same nowdays.

I've bought 3 x "2nd hand" games last week from another XBOX gamer for R700.00 and there are forums in SA ie: ( http://www.xbox-360.co.za/ ) where guys are constantly trading or selling games they have finished where you can pick them up from R150.00 upwards. I know its second hand, but as long as its not scratched, and comes with the manuals in good condition, whats the difference?

@ DarKWater.. If you hate the XBOX controllers.. wait until you try the new PS3 controllers, Read an article yesterday about somebody who bought a PS3.. the controllers drove him insane, said it took 25 min to set up, and about 5 min to start a game... He sold the PS3 on EBAY, bought an XBOX and 5 new games with what he made off it. Also most of the first games for xbox might of been direct ports, but if you remember right, the exact same thing happened with the Playstation.. remember where Prince of persia first came out on??? Of course now that things are moving on, there are a lot of games coming out ONLY for the XBOX now and not on PC, like Gears of War, Mass Effect, and so on
 
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true...but I wasint refering to the wireless part..it's the feel of the controller i'm talking about....

aint gears of war also a FPS
 
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