Cop boss enraged over old flag

Do you have an old South African flag?

  • Yes but I don't display it.

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Yes and it is on display.

    Votes: 5 15.6%

  • No but I don't mind others displaying it if they want.

    Votes: 19 59.4%

  • No. It is wrong to associate with it in any way or form.

    Votes: 6 18.8%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    32
I think he's saying those who find the new flag offensive should leave the country.

I don't think being comfy with the new flag implies that one approves of murder, rape, hijackings, corruption and incompetence.
 
capd said:
That minority would be better off in another country.
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funny how your signature reflects your ideology towards a certain race group, and now you have decided that all must fusk off that dont agree with you?

twat
 
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Fair enough, though many associate the old flag with oppression and all the other nasties that came along with white rule.
 
Blah!Blah! said:
funny how your signature reflects your ideology towards a certain race group, and now you have decided that all must fusk off that dont agree with you?

twat
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Afrikaner Nationalists is in brackets, you obviously don't know that that means I am not specifically referring to Afrikaners or certain race groups. :rolleyes:

If being against those wanting our country to fail makes me a twat then so be it. :rolleyes:
 
There's an old SA flag hanging in a pub in London. She shoulda told him to fly over there and confiscate that one too. Hey whats good for one is good for all imo hehe.

The police can pretty much conviscate whatever they like, however there has to be a sign stating its prohibitance in that area. I'm only aware of signs like that for skateboards and dogs, not old sa flags lol dumbass cop :D
 
daveza said:
Fair enough, though many associate the old flag with oppression and all the other nasties that came along with white rule.
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Many = the majority. Some brethren around these parts just don't know empathy, and battle to grasp things.
 
capd said:
Many = the majority. Some brethren around these parts just don't know empathy, and battle to grasp things.
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It goes both ways. For many people here the old flag brings back positive, patriotic emotions. The new flag is associated with the armed struggle of the PAC/ANC/SACP and the resultant white collateral damage which followed.

It goes both ways. It is difficult to reconcile these things because many of the people who love the old flag were not nasty towards black people. They just love the old flag and the feelings of patriotism it brought. Not everyone who loves the old flag is AWB or KKK - in fact I'd say >90% are not.

You speak of these verkramptes and many black people think of the Chinese with feelings of hope and perhaps the Indians. The sad fact is that IMO Indians and especially Asian people are not used to different cultures as the whites in SA are. I don't think they'll find the Chinese as benevolent in the long run. For example, back in the day, the Soviet Union was pushing it's international imperialist policies of Marxism-Leninism and the idea of the worker revolution - the national song even is called the Internationale. Workers of the world unite. Well it was official policy but people in the Soviet Union weren't so partial to blacks who studied or worked in the SU. They didn't know them and so treated them with distrust. Even now the rate of xenophobic attacks in the ex-SU is very high. China is a similar story. The cultures and people are so different, the Chinese bring in their own labourers for example while the British and Dutch and their descendants would only bring in white managers but below that everyone else was and is local. Perhaps if the Chinese had their own colonies in Africa from the 1500s - we'd see a similar development.

I think that even a verkrampte can come to a better understanding with an ex-oppressed African person than a Chinese who finds the culture foreign and so unlike his, at least at this stage.
 
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PeterCH said:
It goes both ways. For many people here the old flag brings back positive, patriotic emotions.
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That's great, they are welcome to display it in their own homes to like-minded people.
 
capd said:
That's great, they are welcome to display it in their own homes to like-minded people.
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Why are they limited to that? But I do think it's stupid to have it in public, interesting that no one at Metrorail cared for however long it was there.
 
http://www.news24.com/Content/South...943edd/09-12-2009-10-18/Old_flag_still_legal#

Old flag still legal

Durban - The old South African flag was never banned, and the display of it is protected under the right to freedom of speech.

This was the reaction of Constitutional experts on Wednesday, after Bheki Cele, national chief of police, gave an order on Tuesday for a small old South African flag to be removed from a junior Metrorail manager's office in Durban.

Cele gave this order after Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa noticed it by chance in the woman's office.

Both Marinus Wiechers, who was part of the team who compiled the Constitution, and Pierre de Vos, a Constitution expert from the University of Cape Town, said the right to freedom of speech means people may still display the old flag.

In 1996 particularly, the display of old flags at rugby matches caused controversy and the South African rugby authorities expressed their disapproval, but it was never forbidden at stadiums.

Flag not forbidden

The old flag was never forbidden by any law and even if someone wanted to do so, it would be unconstitutional, said De Vos and Wiechers.

"Many people would say it (the old flag) is an eyesore. But freedom of speech also means that we must accept points of view we find appalling," said De Vos.

According to Wiechers, only hate speech and defamation are not protected under freedom of speech.

He feels it's a gross and insensitive abuse of power on Cele's part to give the order for the flag to be removed, without even discussing the matter with the woman.

Metrorail policy

De Vos said it is possible that individual establishments can make rules regarding what they will allow in the workplace, as long as these are clearly defined.

For instance, it would be defensible if someone who works with the public or represents the state in some or other capacity was forbidden to display an old South African flag in their office.

"But in your personal capacity you are free to hoist the old South African flag in front of your own house," he said.

Thandi Mkhize, Metrorail spokesperson, said the establishment's policy states that no party-political flags or T-shirts or national flags which are no longer in use may be displayed in their offices.
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rebel998 said:
He should rather concentrate on doing his job. Idjut.:D
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Picking on office workers is easier than fighting crime.

It may be offensive but he has no right to take someone else's possessions. It's in bad taste and offends people but it's legal, like Malema.
 
The bigger issue here is that both the minister and police chief were not aware that it is legal to display the old flag. I suggest that both resign as they are obviously not fit for their respective offices.
 
daveza said:
When is it not offensive to display the swastika ?
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The swastika has been used for thousands of years.

I suppose that the real problem is that the 'current' use of it is to be offensive in a lot of cases. But a WWII movie would be pretty lame if there wasn't a swastika or two.
 
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VJB 449 said:
The bigger issue here is that both the minister and police chief were not aware that it is legal to display the old flag. I suggest that both resign as they are obviously not fit for their respective offices.
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Not sure if they actually cared if it is legal or not. They think the are the law and can make and brake as they see fit.
 
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