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Couple assaulted at KFC drive-through
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Drifter
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I think he is spot on.
WaxLyrical
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That is really pathetic and sadly reflects the sentiment of South African black youth of today. It's the same ideology that's infected the decolonialists.
She shouldve invited him back to her place and watch how quickly he shuts up.
They usually don't say no to white booty.
Technically what she said was true - when has KFC ever had chicken?
What they actually sell is genetically modified centipedes that grow the wings, thighs and drumsticks of a chicken. Its always to loser production cost. The C in KFC actually stands for centipede.
So you asked for chicken, and she was honest with you, they don't have any. But if you had asked for KFC, well, different story!
konfab
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People who have money that they didn't work particularly hard for are always going to cause trouble, regardless of how they got the money or the colour of their skin.
That's because you don't like black people irrelevant if true or not.
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And vaccines cause autism, chemtrails are real, astrology dictates your wealth, the moon landing was fake, and Obama is a muslim!
Try not believe everything you read in the Daily Sun please. KFC actually has some of the best quality chicken; I used to audit their supplier.
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Well then something goes horrifically wrong from the point of delivery to the point of purchase. Either that or what is considered good quality chicken has vastly deteriorated over the past 30 years.
#KFCAssault victim endured racial insults, court hears
More at: https://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-co...m-endured-racial-insults-court-hears-10850696
More at: https://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-co...m-endured-racial-insults-court-hears-10850696
No racism charges for KFC assaulters, court hears
Pretoria - Was the alleged assault by five white men on a black couple at a KFC in Pretoria racially motivated?
That's what the Pretoria North magistrate's court will have to determine after it emerged that no allegations related to racism and crimen injuria were listed on the charge sheet.
The five men allegedly attacked a black couple at a KFC drive-through in Montana on August 2. The accused are facing charges of attempted murder, intent to cause grievous bodily harm and pointing of a firearm.
Three of the five accused, Stephan Nel, 39, Joshua Schultz, 21, and DJ van Rooyen, 21, were in court on Friday for their bail application, which the State is opposing.
Ockert Muller, 20, has already been released on bail while Marius Harding, 23, has abandoned his bid for bail.
News24 has previously revealed that Harding was arrested in 2014 on charges of assault and crimen injuria for allegedly assaulting three petrol pump attendants, using racial slurs at a garage in Petrus Steyn Free State.
Racism and crimen injuria
Under cross examination by advocate JC Erasmus for Nel on Friday, Warrant Officer Ravi Naidoo, a group commander at Sinoville detective unit, said it was his personal opinion that the attacks were racially motivated. This was not, however, on the charge sheet, he said. He further conceded that no allegations relating to racism and crimen injuria were listed on the charge sheet.
Naidoo's affidavit was read into the record last week. In it, he stated that in terms of assault and attempted murder, incidents on racial grounds were prevalent in the Sinoville area.
He also conceded under cross examination that his definition of racial grounds was that the incidents were either white on black or black on white.
Different races
Naidoo said cases of assault and attempted murder, which involved different races, were taken more seriously than those involving the same race.
He said they were opposing bail due to the seriousness of the charges and because the complainants and witnesses feared for their safety
"The complainant states that he fears for the safety of his wife, his minor children and himself if the accused are granted bail," Naidoo said.
The investigating officer on the case, Constable William Tladi, gave further insight into the state's version, saying one of the complainants was insulted based on her race.
"They called her a bitch, they also insulted her on her skin colour," he said.
Tladi said they had called her a "swart gat" (black arse).
He said Nel pointed a firearm at one of the complainants while the other four accused assaulted her.
It's then alleged that Nel joined in on the assault and hit one of the complainants with the firearm.
Attorney Nols Nolte, who also represented Nel, questioned why charges of crimen injuria weren't added and why these remarks weren't in Tladi's initial affidavit that was also read into the record last week.
BB gun
Tladi said he was reading from the complainant's statement and not his own, and that he did not know why charges of crimen injuria weren't added.
It also emerged that there was only one firearm, which allegedly belonged to Nel, and which according to the state's version was used in the incident.
Nolte asked both Naidoo and Tladi if the firearm used could have been a BB gun (toy gun). Both conceded that they didn't know what gun it was, and that it could have been. The gun has been taken in for forensic testing.
The bail application is expected to continue on August 23.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/no-racism-charges-for-kfc-assaulters-court-hears-20170818
Pretoria - Was the alleged assault by five white men on a black couple at a KFC in Pretoria racially motivated?
That's what the Pretoria North magistrate's court will have to determine after it emerged that no allegations related to racism and crimen injuria were listed on the charge sheet.
The five men allegedly attacked a black couple at a KFC drive-through in Montana on August 2. The accused are facing charges of attempted murder, intent to cause grievous bodily harm and pointing of a firearm.
Three of the five accused, Stephan Nel, 39, Joshua Schultz, 21, and DJ van Rooyen, 21, were in court on Friday for their bail application, which the State is opposing.
Ockert Muller, 20, has already been released on bail while Marius Harding, 23, has abandoned his bid for bail.
News24 has previously revealed that Harding was arrested in 2014 on charges of assault and crimen injuria for allegedly assaulting three petrol pump attendants, using racial slurs at a garage in Petrus Steyn Free State.
Racism and crimen injuria
Under cross examination by advocate JC Erasmus for Nel on Friday, Warrant Officer Ravi Naidoo, a group commander at Sinoville detective unit, said it was his personal opinion that the attacks were racially motivated. This was not, however, on the charge sheet, he said. He further conceded that no allegations relating to racism and crimen injuria were listed on the charge sheet.
Naidoo's affidavit was read into the record last week. In it, he stated that in terms of assault and attempted murder, incidents on racial grounds were prevalent in the Sinoville area.
He also conceded under cross examination that his definition of racial grounds was that the incidents were either white on black or black on white.
Different races
Naidoo said cases of assault and attempted murder, which involved different races, were taken more seriously than those involving the same race.
He said they were opposing bail due to the seriousness of the charges and because the complainants and witnesses feared for their safety
"The complainant states that he fears for the safety of his wife, his minor children and himself if the accused are granted bail," Naidoo said.
The investigating officer on the case, Constable William Tladi, gave further insight into the state's version, saying one of the complainants was insulted based on her race.
"They called her a bitch, they also insulted her on her skin colour," he said.
Tladi said they had called her a "swart gat" (black arse).
He said Nel pointed a firearm at one of the complainants while the other four accused assaulted her.
It's then alleged that Nel joined in on the assault and hit one of the complainants with the firearm.
Attorney Nols Nolte, who also represented Nel, questioned why charges of crimen injuria weren't added and why these remarks weren't in Tladi's initial affidavit that was also read into the record last week.
BB gun
Tladi said he was reading from the complainant's statement and not his own, and that he did not know why charges of crimen injuria weren't added.
It also emerged that there was only one firearm, which allegedly belonged to Nel, and which according to the state's version was used in the incident.
Nolte asked both Naidoo and Tladi if the firearm used could have been a BB gun (toy gun). Both conceded that they didn't know what gun it was, and that it could have been. The gun has been taken in for forensic testing.
The bail application is expected to continue on August 23.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/no-racism-charges-for-kfc-assaulters-court-hears-20170818
SlowInternet
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Why should it be taken more seriously ?
Assault and attempted murder should be treated the same, doesn't matter if it is white on white, black on black, white on black and visa versa or whatever
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Accused in KFC assault case absent due to another court appearance
More at: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...-case-absent-due-to-another-court-appearance/
More at: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...-case-absent-due-to-another-court-appearance/
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Moosedrool
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State maintains KFC attack was racially motivated
Pretoria - In opposing bail for three of the white men who allegedly assaulted a black couple at a KFC drive-through in Montana, Pretoria, the state maintained that the attack was racially motivated.
Stephan Nel, 39, Joshua Schultz, 21 and DJ van Rooyen, 21 were applying for bail at the Pretoria North Magistrate's Court on Friday.
"There was a first group attacking Mr and Mrs Sono, another group came to join. [The] first and second group are from the same race and claim not to know each other," said state prosecutor Ronnie Sibanda during his heads of argument.
"So what can make people of the same race then attack someone of another race if it's not a hate crime or race related?
"Why didn't the second group not call the police or break up the fight?"
Charges
Nel, Schultz and Van Rooyen, along with Ockert Muller, 20 and Marius Harding, 23, have been charged with attempted murder, assault with the intent to cause grievous bodily harm and pointing of a firearm.
Muller has since been released on bail while Harding has abandoned his bail bid.
Last week, the court heard that no allegations relating to racism and crimen injuria were listed on the charge sheet.
During the cross examination of Warrant Officer Ravi Naidoo, a group commander at Sinoville detective unit, to whom investigating officer Constable William Tladi reports, Naidoo conceded that there was no evidence that suggested the assault was racially motivated.
In his evidence in chief, Naidoo said that racial incidents were prevalent in the Sinoville area. He also said that cases of attempted murder and assault involving different races were taken more seriously than those involving the same race.
Tladi, however, testified that Sono's wife was insulted based on her race.
"They called her a bitch, they also insulted her on her skin colour," he said.
Tladi said they had called her a "swart gat [black arse]".
Revelation
These allegations were not in his affidavit that was read into record before he took the stand.
Harding, who was not present in court, has been taken to KwaZulu-Natal to answer for a charge of theft, the court heard.
News24 has previously revealed that Harding was arrested in 2014 on charges of assault and crimen injuria for allegedly assaulting three petrol pump attendants - using racial slurs at a garage in Petrus Steyn Free State.
Harding's father, Hermanus Nicholas Harding said there was no warrant pending in terms of the case in Petrus Steyn.
Judgment in the bail application will be delivered on August 30.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/state-maintains-kfc-attack-was-racially-motivated-20170825
Pretoria - In opposing bail for three of the white men who allegedly assaulted a black couple at a KFC drive-through in Montana, Pretoria, the state maintained that the attack was racially motivated.
Stephan Nel, 39, Joshua Schultz, 21 and DJ van Rooyen, 21 were applying for bail at the Pretoria North Magistrate's Court on Friday.
"There was a first group attacking Mr and Mrs Sono, another group came to join. [The] first and second group are from the same race and claim not to know each other," said state prosecutor Ronnie Sibanda during his heads of argument.
"So what can make people of the same race then attack someone of another race if it's not a hate crime or race related?
"Why didn't the second group not call the police or break up the fight?"
Charges
Nel, Schultz and Van Rooyen, along with Ockert Muller, 20 and Marius Harding, 23, have been charged with attempted murder, assault with the intent to cause grievous bodily harm and pointing of a firearm.
Muller has since been released on bail while Harding has abandoned his bail bid.
Last week, the court heard that no allegations relating to racism and crimen injuria were listed on the charge sheet.
During the cross examination of Warrant Officer Ravi Naidoo, a group commander at Sinoville detective unit, to whom investigating officer Constable William Tladi reports, Naidoo conceded that there was no evidence that suggested the assault was racially motivated.
In his evidence in chief, Naidoo said that racial incidents were prevalent in the Sinoville area. He also said that cases of attempted murder and assault involving different races were taken more seriously than those involving the same race.
Tladi, however, testified that Sono's wife was insulted based on her race.
"They called her a bitch, they also insulted her on her skin colour," he said.
Tladi said they had called her a "swart gat [black arse]".
Revelation
These allegations were not in his affidavit that was read into record before he took the stand.
Harding, who was not present in court, has been taken to KwaZulu-Natal to answer for a charge of theft, the court heard.
News24 has previously revealed that Harding was arrested in 2014 on charges of assault and crimen injuria for allegedly assaulting three petrol pump attendants - using racial slurs at a garage in Petrus Steyn Free State.
Harding's father, Hermanus Nicholas Harding said there was no warrant pending in terms of the case in Petrus Steyn.
Judgment in the bail application will be delivered on August 30.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/state-maintains-kfc-attack-was-racially-motivated-20170825
TheChamp
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Good question.
infscrtyrisk
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Perhaps because "Mrs Sono" was acting like a deranged, emotional and entitled idiot?
Lol, terrible question. A fantastic leap of logic with zero evidence to support it.