Currie Cup 2013

[Devill]

Bakkies? Sure if you're a dentist with an interest in long teeth.

"Botha played in three winning Currie Cup finals with the Bulls ('02, '04 & '09), and was also a member of the victorious Bulls team in the Super 14 in the 2007 Super 14 season, 2009 Super 14 season and 2010 Super 14 season. He also won the Heineken Cup with Toulon in 2013. Now one of the most decorated players in world rugby.[14]"

I am sure it is no coincident that Bakkies has been part of so many champion teams.

We are blooding locks well enough for the WC, Bakkies is one year older than McCaw, would you leave McCaw out because he is too old?

Botha is having a great season, also the fact that he can mentor Steph du toit is a huge plus.

I think you simply do not like the player.

The hookers - the short of this is that there is such a large gap between Du Plessis and the rest. And in all facets of the game.

Scarra had a good season and he was one of the very few WP players that actually played rugby in the final.

The rest I agree with you on.

 

[FoXtroT]

Scarra had a good season and he was one of the very few WP players that actually played rugby in the final.

The rest I agree with you on.

Did he even play in Super Rugby, and if he did, did he have much of an impact. Currie Cupe != Test Rugby

 

[Albereth]

"Botha played in three winning Currie Cup finals with the Bulls ('02, '04 & '09), and was also a member of the victorious Bulls team in the Super 14 in the 2007 Super 14 season, 2009 Super 14 season and 2010 Super 14 season. He also won the Heineken Cup with Toulon in 2013. Now one of the most decorated players in world rugby.[14]"

I am sure it is no coincident that Bakkies has been part of so many champion teams.

We are blooding locks well enough for the WC, Bakkies is one year older than McCaw, would you leave McCaw out because he is too old?

Botha is having a great season, also the fact that he can mentor Steph du toit is a huge plus.

I think you simply do not like the player.



Scarra had a good season and he was one of the very few WP players that actually played rugby in the final.

The rest I agree with you on.

Based on McCaw's recent form - yes, I'd leave him out.

I don't thnk that Du Toit is taking after Bakkies in the least. He is more like a loose forward. More Willem Alberts than Willem Alberts is Willem Alberts - if you follow that.

I don't have anything against most rugby players and Bakkies has been an absolute stalwart. But I'd rather have Etzebeth and Du Toit make their own magic, because I think that's what it is going to be.

And no, the WP hooker sucks. I think the real problem is that we don't have a replacement for Bismarck. Not even close,

 

[Devill]

Based on McCaw's recent form - yes, I'd leave him out.

I don't thnk that Du Toit is taking after Bakkies in the least. He is more like a loose forward. More Willem Alberts than Willem Alberts is Willem Alberts - if you follow that.

I don't have anything against most rugby players and Bakkies has been an absolute stalwart. But I'd rather have Etzebeth and Du Toit make their own magic, because I think that's what it is going to be.

And no, the WP hooker sucks. I think the real problem is that we don't have a replacement for Bismarck. Not even close,

I would like to see Eben rested for a bit, then they can play Bakkies and Steph-du Toit. It works perfectly.

Also Strauss is a good match for Bismarck this season. I do think Bissie will be back to 100% next year.

 

[Devill]

Did he even play in Super Rugby, and if he did, did he have much of an impact. Currie Cupe != Test Rugby

They are taking Scarra with with the eye on the future, the only game time he will see might be against Scotland for 15 minutes. He is more there for the experience of the Tour.

 

[Albereth]

I would like to see Eben rested for a bit, then they can play Bakkies and Steph-du Toit. It works perfectly.

Also Strauss is a good match for Bismarck this season. I do think Bissie will be back to 100% next year.

No, no, no. Not even close.

Strauss may be the best of the rest but Bismarck is in just another league altogether.

 

[KOPITE]

Zane Kirchner Fullback 28 caps 25 points 29 years
Gio Aplon Fullback/Wing 17 caps 25 points 31 years waste of space - a joke?
best attacking and flair player in the country along with Kolby
Willie le Roux Fullback/Wing 9 caps 15 points 24 years

JP Pietersen Wing 48 caps 70points 27 years waste of space - where was he?
one of the most consistent players in the bok team - you seem to be confused
Bryan Habana Wing 92 caps 265 points 30 years
JJ Engelbrecht Centre/Wing 10 caps 20 points 24 years totally out of his depth at centre, should be used at wing only
Jaque Fourie Centre 69 caps 160 points 32 years waste of space good experience player and still got it
Jean de Villiers (captain) Centre 93 caps 120 points 32 years
Jan Serfontein Centre 9 caps 5 points 20 years way to inexperienced and out of his depth, would choose de jongh/de allendy

Morné Steyn Flyhalf 51 caps 618 points 29 years need i say more, we know what he can do and that's it
Johan Goosen Flyhalf 4 caps 8 points 21 years waste of space good player, but needs to poof his fitness levels
Pat Lambie Flyhalf/Fullback 29 caps 55 points 23 years younger version of MS with his kicking, still needs to learn alot and buckles under pressure

Fourie du Preez Scrumhalf 65 caps 70 points 31 years total waste of space, has been
Ruan Pienaar Scrumhalf 71 caps 130 points 29 years decent player, but lacks tactical kicking
Louis Schreuder Scrumhalf 0 caps 0 points 23 years waste of space jury is still out on him and needs to be consistent

Duane Vermeulen No 8 13 caps 5 points 27 years
Siya Kolisi Loose forward 8 caps 0 points 22 years
Francois Louw Loose forward 25 caps 25 points 28 years
Willem Alberts Loose forward 27 caps 30 points 28 years
Marcell Coetzee Loose forward 14 caps 5 points 22 years average player, much better players in sa

Pieter-Steph du Toit Lock 0 caps 0 points 21 years
Eben Etzebeth Lock 20 caps 0 points 22 years
Flip van der Merwe Lock 31 caps 5 points 28 years
Bakkies Botha Lock 76 caps 35 points 34 years waste of space - seriously still got it, but we need to blood our youngsters

Jannie du Plessis Prop 51 caps 5 points 30 years
Frans Malherbe Prop 0 caps 0 points 22 years
Coenie Oosthuizen Prop 11 caps 5 points 24 years
Gurthrö Steenkamp Prop 46 caps 30 points 32 years waste of space - past it should be replaced with a youngster like Kitshoff
Tendai Mtawarira Prop 50 caps 10 points 28 years needs a rest

Bismarck du Plessis Hooker 54 caps 40 points 29 years
Adriaan Strauss Hooker 30 caps 25 points 27 years waste of space
Scarra Ntubeni Hooker 0 caps 0 points 22 years waste of space - can't throw straight most exciting young upcoming hooker

These end of year tours seem to be a reward for some players and the building blocks for the next season. But it doesn't ever seem to be good management - except when Mallet took his team for that 18th game.

looks like you only watch your sharks team play rugby. we have alot of youngsters coming through that needs an opportunity, we have seen enough MS, Niknaks,FdP,

don't ever judge a player on his size, rather judge him on his ability. there is smaller players that tackle better then HM's so called big players like Spies, Serfontein, Engelbrecht and MS.

you need to be open minded and not like HM buddy.

 

[FoXtroT]

Jan Serfontein Centre 9 caps 5 points 20 years way to inexperienced and out of his depth, would choose de jongh/de allendy - Have you not watched him play?, a far more exciting prospect than de allende. Please tell me how he is out of his depth? His performance in the bok jeresey has shown how great a player he could become. Also de Jongh is an outside center so would be stupid to replace Jan with him and de Jongh has not exactly had the best season

Pat Lambie Flyhalf/Fullback 29 caps 55 points 23 years younger version of MS with his kicking, still needs to learn alot and buckles under pressure - Sorry are you high? Did you not watch the game on the weekend?

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Fox, you will just end up losing your shiz with that noop dude, seriously

 

[porchrat]

Scarra had a good season and he was one of the very few WP players that actually played rugby in the final.

You mean the Currie cup final?... he threw the most crooked line out ball I've ever seen in that game. Also it wasn't like he was throwing crooked towards the WP guys to give them an advantage. If the ref wasn't picking up on that and Scarra took advantage that would be fine, but he was also throwing crooked towards the Sharks. That is simply ineptitude. I don't know if that guy is blind or has some sort of neuromuscular disorder or what but he needs to sort his throwing out. It was a total joke.

 

[Albereth]

looks like you only watch your sharks team play rugby. we have alot of youngsters coming through that needs an opportunity, we have seen enough MS, Niknaks,FdP,

don't ever judge a player on his size, rather judge him on his ability. there is smaller players that tackle better then HM's so called big players like Spies, Serfontein, Engelbrecht and MS.

you need to be open minded and not like HM buddy.

I'm not the one with blinkers on - as for size, a good big one beats a good little one every time.

 

[sand_man]

Are we not only playing Wales, Scotland and then France?

And England on the 15th November.

I do not agree with screuder's pick, he does not have a great kicking game and he also does not have massive attacking capability. Vermaak, Pretorius or Kockett would have been better picks imo.

Kockott has been in prolific form for Castres. Don't be surprised if he made himself unavailable for Bok selection on account of making himself available for France!

Happy to see Steph-du toit there.

No question of his pedigree and the massive potential he holds but I'll say it again, Currie Cup for me is not the right benchmark on which to judge our players. Super 15 is.

I really hope that HM rests Morne Steyn and plays Lambie and Goosen. Also Give Serfontein a go and rest Jean (he might be the most over played player in world rugby).

Agreed. I'm worried about Goosen though. He's being rushed back and he's the last player you want to rush. He's played what? About 70 minutes of any rugby in the last 6 months? The kid is mercurial and a legend in the making but I fear for his career and this tour might just be the end of it! One more serious injury and he is done...

We are seriously thin on tighthead props at the moment and I fear for the day that Jannie gets sidelined for 6 months....

Agreed. Persisting with Coenie on the tighthead isn't the solution either hence Mulherbe. I know Mallet rates him highly and for me that's enough but let's see what he does on tour. Remember European sides put a huge emphasis on scrummaging. We may see the Bok scrum go backwards more than once in the next 4 weeks. This tour is going to be massive. Really looking forward to it!!!!

Also looking forward to seeing Bakkies and Eben destroy all and sundry.

 

[sand_man]

I'm not the one with blinkers on - as for size, a good big one beats a good little one every time.

There's no hiding from the physical demands of modern international rugby but a few select players have successfully overcome this prerequisite and led long and successful careers. Think Breyton Paulse, Shane Williams, Leigh Halfpenny, Christian Cullen. Gio has never let the team down when selected.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

I can't believe you're quite happy to see PSdT ride the sidelines and have Bakkies and Eben play, it makes no sense. PSdT shows more than Eben did before he played S15 and we know how Eben turned out.

Blows my mind

 

[Devill]

You mean the Currie cup final?... he threw the most crooked line out ball I've ever seen in that game. Also it wasn't like he was throwing crooked towards the WP guys to give them an advantage. If the ref wasn't picking up on that and Scarra took advantage that would be fine, but he was also throwing crooked towards the Sharks. That is simply ineptitude. I don't know if that guy is blind or has some sort of neuromuscular disorder or what but he needs to sort his throwing out. It was a total joke.

Throwing in straight can be worked on and fixed quickly. Ask Bissie. also Scarra has been good the whole Currie cup and he really was a light point in a very poor WP side in the finals (Barring his throw ins).

I can't believe you're quite happy to see PSdT ride the sidelines and have Bakkies and Eben play, it makes no sense. PSdT shows more than Eben did before he played S15 and we know how Eben turned out.

Blows my mind

PSdT is going to be groomed into a no 5 lock. That is a whole new ball game and a lot more of a specialist position than a no. 5 lock. I doubt pushing him into a no. 5 jersey with Eben and saying:" Well have at it" will do him any favours.

Use this tour to blood him but not recklessly so, as he has all the signs about him that says we are going to be seeing him on the world stage for the next decade.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Insert Lambie in that sentence instead of PSdT ...... what does he get again? Oh ja, 5 mins per match if he's lucky. Excuse me if the sidelining of players by using the 'grooming' tag when HM is involved doesn't get me all excited.

 

[Devill]

Insert Lambie in that sentence instead of PSdT ...... what does he get again? Oh ja, 5 mins per match if he's lucky. Excuse me if the sidelining of players by using the 'grooming' tag when HM is involved doesn't get me all excited.

I am one of the first people to say that I think Lambie should have been given some more game time (at least one start and at least another 60-80 minutes between the other games), and I still hope this is the case come end of the year.

Give credit to HM he brought in Eben at a very fast rate as well as Le Roux.

Perhaps HM knows something you and I don't, you know with him watching enough footage to last anyone a life time, every day or two, and him doing it as a full time job....

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Jannie has pulled himself out of the tour ....... needs rest

 

[Albereth]

Jannie has pulled himself out of the tour ....... needs rest

Injured arm.

Saw Boots n All last night and Bismarck was saying that this is his first tour since 2008 without Jannie. Quite touching.

 

[Devill]

Injured arm.

Saw Boots n All last night and Bismarck was saying that this is his first tour since 2008 without Jannie. Quite touching.

Saw we lost Jannie. I have a bda feeling that the France and Wales are going to hurt us come scrum time.