Dagga boy wins his case

D3x! said:
despite the illegal status of it, it is harmful to youngsters, causes social issues and crime issues and opens people up to worse drug use.

see this is what this shouldn't become about again, but please do tell me why you are for it? and besides for you using it recreation-ally.

and all of these side benefits etc, would you still advocate them if you still couldn't legally use it for recreational use?
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I agree its harmful to minors only because it impairs brain development, which is why you should only smoke when you are 17-18, once the majority of brain development is done.

Social issues, hmmm such as depression and such?Only those that are predisposed to those conditions will experience issues when smoking, weed is a catalyst for people with these types of issues.

Gateway drug? I suppose this is true, but again, its only for people that are predisposed and any drug that a person takes will never be enough.Weed is just the first drug that most people experience which is why some say its a gateway drug.

And to answer your last 2 questions ,Im for people doing whatever the hell they want because its their own body.We know that cannabis extract and oils are very effective at reducing seizures in children who are prone to it and we know that certain types of cancers are cured by the extract.


Did you have a bad experience or do you know someone whose life has gone down the drain due to weed abuse?Im just trying to understand your stance properly because your first statement is a huge generalization and I;ve explained why only certain ppl are affected.
 
Batista said:
I agree its harmful to minors only because it impairs brain development, which is why you should only smoke when you are 17-18, once the majority of brain development is done.

Social issues, hmmm such as depression and such?Only those that are predisposed to those conditions will experience issues when smoking, weed is a catalyst for people with these types of issues.

Gateway drug? I suppose this is true, but again, its only for people that are predisposed and any drug that a person takes will never be enough.Weed is just the first drug that most people experience which is why some say its a gateway drug.

And to answer your last 2 questions ,Im for people doing whatever the hell they want because its their own body.We know that cannabis extract and oils are very effective at reducing seizures in children who are prone to it and we know that certain types of cancers are cured by the extract.


Did you have a bad experience or do you know someone whose life has gone down the drain due to weed abuse?Im just trying to understand your stance properly because your first statement is a huge generalization and I;ve explained why only certain ppl are affected.
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the fact that you can actually agree that it is a gateway drug, you might be one of the first users ever to admit this, as I am sure most comprehend this, so thank you for comprehending this.

social issues such as depression, behavior changes, family theft, lies, family issues.

at least you are honest in your answer, i don't fully agree with that reason because of the other follow on issues it causes but each to their own opinion.

I know people that have had issues caused and fueled by it, we have also had several dealers selling to kids as young as 9 (and i am sure there are much younger users out there). Have you ever seen a kid strung out on drugs? even just high on weed?
 
D3x! said:
the fact that you can actually agree that it is a gateway drug, you might be one of the first users ever to admit this, as I am sure most comprehend this, so thank you for comprehending this.

social issues such as depression, behavior changes, family theft, lies, family issues.

at least you are honest in your answer, i don't fully agree with that reason because of the other follow on issues it causes but each to their own opinion.

I know people that have had issues caused and fueled by it, we have also had several dealers selling to kids as young as 9 (and i am sure there are much younger users out there). Have you ever seen a kid strung out on drugs? even just high on weed?
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Yeah, It's still not a gateway drug. Debunked many a time already.

I get the feeling that you can't separate cannabis from hard-core drugs, that you see it having the same effect on people and society. (it doesn't btw)

As for dealers selling to kids... those people should be removed from society.
 
D3x! said:
the fact that you can actually agree that it is a gateway drug, you might be one of the first users ever to admit this, as I am sure most comprehend this, so thank you for comprehending this.

social issues such as depression, behavior changes, family theft, lies, family issues.

at least you are honest in your answer, i don't fully agree with that reason because of the other follow on issues it causes but each to their own opinion.

I know people that have had issues caused and fueled by it, we have also had several dealers selling to kids as young as 9 (and i am sure there are much younger users out there). Have you ever seen a kid strung out on drugs? even just high on weed?
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Cool dude, but remember i said, it only applies to ppl that are predisposed to being druggies.
I have watched documentaries of kids that age smoking, it is not pretty, you can see these people are very slow and their development has been stunted(brain).Its terrible.
Its sad when dealers want to tarnish kids, they also need to make $$$, but there is good that comes from cannabis, just pls dont group all the pot smokers under one umbrella (your sig). :)
 
Batista said:
Cool dude, but remember i said, it only applies to ppl that are predisposed to being druggies.
I have watched documentaries of kids that age smoking, it is not pretty, you can see these people are very slow and their development has been stunted(brain).Its terrible.
Its sad when dealers want to tarnish kids, they also need to make $$$, but there is good that comes from cannabis, just pls dont group all the pot smokers under one umbrella (your sig). :)
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This is another argument for legalisation. Make it legal and dealers won't need to push weed on underage smokers as they will have a large enough legal customer base.
 
D3x! said:
the fact that you can actually agree that it is a gateway drug, you might be one of the first users ever to admit this, as I am sure most comprehend this, so thank you for comprehending this.

social issues such as depression, behavior changes, family theft, lies, family issues.

at least you are honest in your answer, i don't fully agree with that reason because of the other follow on issues it causes but each to their own opinion.

I know people that have had issues caused and fueled by it, we have also had several dealers selling to kids as young as 9 (and i am sure there are much younger users out there). Have you ever seen a kid strung out on drugs? even just high on weed?
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It's only a gateway drug because it is illegal. If it was legal it would no longer be a gateway drug.
 
Pox said:
This is another argument for legalisation. Make it legal and dealers won't need to push weed on underage smokers as they will have a large enough legal customer base.
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Not only that, it would be relatively easy to regulate so that the product can only be sold at pharmacies or behind the cigarette counter or what have you. The sidewalk dealers go out of business cuz the price falls, the adults get it in the shops that already don't sell smokes and what have you to children, and thus it actually becomes harder for people under the age of 18 to access the drug.
 
Pox said:
It's not a gateway drug. It being legal or illegal doesn't affect that.
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I guess it depends what you mean by 'gateway drug'. If you use the standard definition of a drug which supposedly leads the user on to more addictive or dangerous drugs, then it being illegal does make it a gateway drug since it's easy to get, is usually the first illegal substance to be used and makes you the connections (drug dealers) who can organise and encourage harder drugs for you. If it were legal you wouldn't make those connections and it would be unlikely to lead to harder drugs
 
McSack said:
Most private schools have a random drug testing policy that parents and pupils sign before admission. I would be really surprised if this school didn't. It seems the court ruling in any case wasn't about whether the schools drug policy is right or wrong, but more about whether proper procedure was followed in expelling the kid.
I've got no problem with adults making decisions about what they want to put into / do with their bodies, but the random drug testing of minors (with consequence for testing positive) is a great way to provide them with an excuse from peer pressure.
Cigarettes and booze have a minimum age limit of 18 for gods sakes , and this kid is only 15.
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The real irony is that government can easily slap a minimum age on mj once they legalise it.. :D

D3x! said:
they aren't being unreasonable in my opinion, I am sure many other parents don't want a drug user and seller amongst their impressionable grade 8 children.

ok but if the problem as you put it is thrill seeker people, which unfortunately we cannot stop producing, then the answer is harsher and better enforced drug laws?

I don't disagree with underage drinking being an issue but that isnt the debate here, it is probably easier for kids to get access to dagga than alcohol these days.

on a side note I wander which is worse during development, alcohol or dagga abuse.
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Maybe on your.. uhm.. walkabout you should take the time to consider & explain to us what exactly about the war on drugs not having the intended effect on the consumption of drugs you don't understand? All the evidence point to harsher drug laws simply not having the desired outcome, no matter how much you really, really want it to.

It's such a pity that sometimes the very people most likely to benefit from exanding their tiny minds usually are the least likely to experiment with psychedelics as a way of attaining enlightenment. It may come as a suprise to you but not all drug users are of the 'lets see how ****ed-up we can get' kind..
 
Sherbang said:
I guess it depends what you mean by 'gateway drug'. If you use the standard definition of a drug which supposedly leads the user on to more addictive or dangerous drugs, then it being illegal does make it a gateway drug since it's easy to get, is usually the first illegal substance to be used and makes you the connections (drug dealers) who can organise and encourage harder drugs for you. If it were legal you wouldn't make those connections and it would be unlikely to lead to harder drugs
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I'll agree with you on this definition, it can open you to further possibilities. The drug itself doesn't make you want to try other drugs, which is usually how it's presented. Have a puff of this joint and 3 seconds later you will be craving heroin.
Legalising it would reduce or even remove the 'peripheral' drugs from the situation.
 
Pox said:
Yeah, It's still not a gateway drug. Debunked many a time already.

I get the feeling that you can't separate cannabis from hard-core drugs, that you see it having the same effect on people and society. (it doesn't btw)

As for dealers selling to kids... those people should be removed from society.
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it is, your opinion is that it isn't. I can understand how your judgement is clouded though, it is common for people to defend things they are involved in, just as a drinker and smoker does etc.

so this kid should also then be removed from society? let alone the school? do you agree on that?
 
Batista said:
Cool dude, but remember i said, it only applies to ppl that are predisposed to being druggies.
I have watched documentaries of kids that age smoking, it is not pretty, you can see these people are very slow and their development has been stunted(brain).Its terrible.
Its sad when dealers want to tarnish kids, they also need to make $$$, but there is good that comes from cannabis, just pls dont group all the pot smokers under one umbrella (your sig). :)
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the sig is more for these trolls who harp on the benefits etc when they actually just want to get high on it, and fail to look at the other side and refuse to believe any social, developmental or criminal drawbacks caused by it.
 
Pox said:
This is another argument for legalisation. Make it legal and dealers won't need to push weed on underage smokers as they will have a large enough legal customer base.
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no, it will just be more mainstream and more underage kids will be using just as is the case with cigarettes
 
Sherbang said:
It's only a gateway drug because it is illegal. If it was legal it would no longer be a gateway drug.
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disagree, it surely wouldn't be legal to children? and just because it is legal wouldn't mean the people experiencing the high wouldn't want to experience higher highs and move onto other drugs.
 
Xarog said:
Not only that, it would be relatively easy to regulate so that the product can only be sold at pharmacies or behind the cigarette counter or what have you. The sidewalk dealers go out of business cuz the price falls, the adults get it in the shops that already don't sell smokes and what have you to children, and thus it actually becomes harder for people under the age of 18 to access the drug.
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and then those dealers would just be selling to kids or selling something worse.

that or other crimes, it is actually scary to think they could be doing worse injustices by not selling weed.
 
Sherbang said:
I guess it depends what you mean by 'gateway drug'. If you use the standard definition of a drug which supposedly leads the user on to more addictive or dangerous drugs, then it being illegal does make it a gateway drug since it's easy to get, is usually the first illegal substance to be used and makes you the connections (drug dealers) who can organise and encourage harder drugs for you. If it were legal you wouldn't make those connections and it would be unlikely to lead to harder drugs
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you just missed the concept of gateway completely.
 
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