data usage policy on RAIN

access said:
you kept asking who was throttled, but im not even aware this was part of the topic.

it started with people complaining about too much usage over a mobile service
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I think you need to re-read the thread
 
access said:
contention is not a preconfigured limitation that automatically applies upon reaching said limit(cap). aka "rolling thresholds"

if no others are contending, contention must allow full use of your service and not invoke a protocol when usage reaches a limit(cap)

if the link is contended, qos can equalise contended connections. it is reactive. for example, at full use of a link everyone will have at least 50/60/70% bandwidth

what you are alluding to cuts the throughput/bandwidth even though no contention is happening over the link.

this is a cap. it is actively enforced.
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Where has this cap been enforced?
 
access said:
contention is not a preconfigured limitation that automatically applies upon reaching said limit(cap). aka "rolling thresholds"

if no others are contending, contention must allow full use of your service and not invoke a protocol when usage reaches a limit(cap)

if the link is contended, qos can equalise contended connections. it is reactive. for example, at full use of a link everyone will have at least 50/60/70% bandwidth

what you are alluding to cuts the throughput/bandwidth even though no contention is happening over the link.

this is a cap. it is actively enforced.
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If there's no demand, no ISP that I know of throttles anyone.

If the demand is high, their QoS algorithms prioritise the lighter users. This has always been the way it's worked. To help ensure that a few users don't ruin the service for everyone.

There's no way that you can call this a cap. This is something you're dreaming up.
 
newby_investor said:
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If the demand is high, their QoS algorithms prioritise the lighter users. This has always been the way it's worked. To help ensure that a few users don't ruin the service for everyone.

There's no way that you can call this a cap. This is something you're dreaming up.
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You are dreaming.

I call myself a light user (v light actually compared to many these days) , barely manage to get through my 25GB a month (includes 2-3 movies ) and my ul and dl's crawl for most of day+night...anytime...24x7

I'm lucky to get 2Mbps avg dl, and quite often unable to even upload a small jpg.... 0-0.1 Mpbs ul

oh and that's in no small part due to the selfish bar stewards who think abuse is cool.
 
MirageF1 said:
You are dreaming.

I call myself a light user (v light actually compared to many these days) , barely manage to get through my 25GB a month (includes 2-3 movies ) and my ul and dl's crawl for most of day+night...anytime...24x7

I'm lucky to get 2Mbps avg dl, and quite often unable to even upload a small jpg.... 0-0.1 Mpbs ul

oh and that's in no small part due to the selfish bar stewards who think abuse is cool.
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If that's the case it's also quite likely your reception. Since Rain is over the air, your position wrt the tower does matter.

Other heavy users can have to do with it. There's only so much that QoS can do though.
 
newby_investor said:
If that's the case it's also quite likely your reception. Since Rain is over the air, your position wrt the tower does matter.

Other heavy users can have to do with it. There's only so much that QoS can do though.
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I know about my reception....my tower is being hijacked by some ^%$^%$ backing up his entire 500Gb data daily most likely...started after the recent RAIN national outage so someone was kindly txfered (welcome all Vodacom users to already over congested RAIN network ) to my tower and decided to gobble up the entire UL bandwidth every second of the day.

So much for your prioritising light user and slapping the abusers theory....NOT.
 
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Proof is in the pudding so to speak...

23:38 way past peak time...

It's the same when i get up at 4.30am...round the clock congestion.
 

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In Johannesburg and noticed most of yesterday and early morning was terrible with frequent disconnects, which was unusual. Both dl/ul speeds were always pretty decent.
Not sure what time it happened, but did noticed an IP change this morning and has been amazing all day, here is now:

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https://speedtest.mybroadband.co.za/result/9190648

Let's hope Rain gets to fix everyone up!
 
Speedster said:
What is the rain cap? Is it a hard cap or a soft one and when is it enforced?
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Good question. Ask them what would happen if you continually go over the limit.

Speedster said:
Who has been throttled?

Also, your statement is false. A large number of uncapped products in SA (and globally) have throttling that kick in after certain usage thresholds
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That's a softcap.

newby_investor said:
If there's no demand, no ISP that I know of throttles anyone.

If the demand is high, their QoS algorithms prioritise the lighter users. This has always been the way it's worked. To help ensure that a few users don't ruin the service for everyone.

There's no way that you can call this a cap. This is something you're dreaming up.
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They do. Since Telkom started enforcing their FUP you get throttled once you reach your cap. Don't know about dsl since I haven't kept up but I know a number of ISPs would have a softcap.
 
access said:
un - a prefix meaning "not"

throttling is a softcap, uncapped means no cap, soft or hard.

4mbps uncapped translates to 1.2TBpm or some such.
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Mweb/Telkom etc all use "Uncapped" but are still throttled in general.

Mweb:

"Uncapped products will never stop working, or charge you for extra data no matter how much you use in a month. It is important to know, however that uncapped products do have an acceptable usage policy on them and the service will slow down temporarily if you are using extreme amounts of data."

In other words Throttled, yet it is named "Uncapped"

Also:

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/245812-not-all-uncapped-fair-use-policies-are-created-equal.html

For there to be no limit it is specifically mentioned e.g. Uncapped as well as unshaped, unthrottled or no FUP/AUP.
 
newby_investor said:
If there's no demand, no ISP that I know of throttles anyone.

If the demand is high, their QoS algorithms prioritise the lighter users. This has always been the way it's worked. To help ensure that a few users don't ruin the service for everyone.

There's no way that you can call this a cap. This is something you're dreaming up.
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lol so because you dont know, it doesnt exist. i do know, they have denied it. i have proven it. they slow your connection the more you download, but they call it uncapped. (im not talking about rain, but another isp)

Mist4h20 said:
Mweb/Telkom etc all use "Uncapped" but are still throttled in general.

Mweb:

"Uncapped products will never stop working, or charge you for extra data no matter how much you use in a month. It is important to know, however that uncapped products do have an acceptable usage policy on them and the service will slow down temporarily if you are using extreme amounts of data."

In other words Throttled, yet it is named "Uncapped"

Also:

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/245812-not-all-uncapped-fair-use-policies-are-created-equal.html

For there to be no limit it is specifically mentioned e.g. Uncapped as well as unshaped, unthrottled or no FUP/AUP.
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oh right, because mweb says so.. hahaha. if it does not stop working but it is slowed down, it is a softcap.

Speedster said:
Why should I ask them - surely you should know this if you keep insisting that they have implemented a cap.



Yet universally marketed and sold as uncapped.
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yet universally you fall for the same marketing claptrap.

you 3(the mob..lawl) are an advertisers wet dream

uncapped(very rare) or softcapped(most of the uncapped marketing you believe) or hardcapped(capped/timed data bundles), it is that simple
 
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access said:
lol so because you dont know, it doesnt exist. i do know, they have denied it. i have proven it. they slow your connection the more you download, but they call it uncapped. (im not talking about rain, but another isp)



oh right, because mweb says so.. hahaha. if it does not stop working but it is slowed down, it is a softcap.



yet universally you fall for the same marketing claptrap.

you 3(the mob..lawl) are an advertisers wet dream

uncapped(very rare) or softcapped(most of the uncapped marketing you believe) or hardcapped(capped/timed data bundles), it is that simple
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So please show me to the implementation of a rain cap of any description (which is the topic of this thread)
 
access said:
lol so because you dont know, it doesnt exist. i do know, they have denied it. i have proven it. they slow your connection the more you download, but they call it uncapped. (im not talking about rain, but another isp)



oh right, because mweb says so.. hahaha. if it does not stop working but it is slowed down, it is a softcap.



yet universally you fall for the same marketing claptrap.

you 3(the mob..lawl) are an advertisers wet dream

uncapped(very rare) or softcapped(most of the uncapped marketing you believe) or hardcapped(capped/timed data bundles), it is that simple
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"Softcap" that's so ADSL times, get with the program, the term is throttled, every provider says uncapped and they have throttling implementation, unless otherwise stated, your heels are so dug into your own theory that your knees are covered in ****, do a quick Google on softcap how many companies still use that term?
 
Speedster said:
So please show me to the implementation of a rain cap of any description (which is the topic of this thread)
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jou clutch gly

you show me, i still dont know why you keep asking that question, what implementation of what cap? it may be one of the topics within this thread, but i have not been part of it. its not even in thread title.

Mist4h20 said:
"Softcap" that's so ADSL times, get with the program, the term is throttled, every provider says uncapped and they have throttling implementation, unless otherwise stated, your heels are so dug into your own theory that your knees are covered in ****, do a quick Google on softcap how many companies still use that term?
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should have rolled your eyes when you typed that hehe. :rolleyes: so you understand the word, but you just dont like it. do you find it offensive?

people like the idea of uncapped, its a seller.
 
access said:
jou clutch gly

you show me, i still dont know why you keep asking that question, what implementation of what cap? it may be one of the topics within this thread, but i have not been part of it. its not even in thread title.
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Maybe you should re-read the title? "Data usage policy on rain" has everything to do with whether rain has implemented some form of cap on their uncapped product. Why are you even discussing the various types of caps if it is not in relation to rain's implementation thereof?

The point is that there is no cap on rain's product although it is clearly purposed for "bona fide mobile use" and they reserve the right to take some form of (currently unspecified) action against users who abuse this service.
 
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Throttling:
Throttling limits the speed of all services and protocols (i.e. the overall speed of your internet connection).
Regardless of the line speed, a throttled account will only be able to achieve limited speed when throttling is applied. The line itself is not affected, and using an unthrottled account will return line performance to normal.
Throttling is applied on an individual per user basis, based overall usage within a given month. Throttling is only ever applied when demand on the network exceeds available network capacity, and is de-activated when demand returns to normal levels.



Shaping:
Shaping is the implementation of protocol-based priority, to manage demand on the network (i.e. some parts of the internet are made to be faster than others, using prioritisation).
When shaping is implemented, realtime, interactive services are given higher priority than non‑realtime, non-interactive services, effectively slowing the performance of non-prioritised services in favour of those that are more important to an overall good broadband experience. Shaping can be applied to any user on a shaped data package in general (not based on usage thresholds), and the impact to non-priority services is determined by the level of demand and available network capacity.
Shaping is applied only when demand on the network exceeds available network capacity, and relieved when demand decreases.




Types of Network Traffic
Instant, Realtime Services
Although our intention is to never shape, sometimes, during outages and special circumstances, we may be required to shape some real-time services. Your connection speed will be as fast as your line allows for realtime traffic.*
Realtime services include:
  • Web Hosting (HTTP)
  • Live Streaming (YouTube)
  • Secure Browsing (HTTPS)
  • Voice Over IP (Skype)
  • Gaming (Online Multiplayer)
  • Terminal Services (SSH)
Non-Realtime Services
Non‑Realtime services are shaped on a sliding scale, with higher bandwidth users getting shaped more than low bandwidth users - But only on non‑realtime services, never on realtime services. This helps ensure that our network does not get congested, and that all of our clients have an overall good broadband experience.
If left completely unchecked, torrents and non‑realtime downloads could use most of the network capacity, which can result in other more less interactive types of traffic becoming slow and unstable. We need to manage the non‑realtime services of our higher bandwidth users so that everyone (including them) can have a great realtime broadband experience.
Non-Realtime services include:
  • HTTP Downloads (Downloading files from your browser)
  • Torrents (Bittorrent)
  • News Servers (NNTP)
 
MavChat said:
Throttling:
Throttling limits the speed of all services and protocols (i.e. the overall speed of your internet connection).
Regardless of the line speed, a throttled account will only be able to achieve limited speed when throttling is applied. The line itself is not affected, and using an unthrottled account will return line performance to normal.
Throttling is applied on an individual per user basis, based overall usage within a given month. Throttling is only ever applied when demand on the network exceeds available network capacity, and is de-activated when demand returns to normal levels.



Shaping:
Shaping is the implementation of protocol-based priority, to manage demand on the network (i.e. some parts of the internet are made to be faster than others, using prioritisation).
When shaping is implemented, realtime, interactive services are given higher priority than non‑realtime, non-interactive services, effectively slowing the performance of non-prioritised services in favour of those that are more important to an overall good broadband experience. Shaping can be applied to any user on a shaped data package in general (not based on usage thresholds), and the impact to non-priority services is determined by the level of demand and available network capacity.
Shaping is applied only when demand on the network exceeds available network capacity, and relieved when demand decreases.




Types of Network Traffic
Instant, Realtime Services
Although our intention is to never shape, sometimes, during outages and special circumstances, we may be required to shape some real-time services. Your connection speed will be as fast as your line allows for realtime traffic.*
Realtime services include:
  • Web Hosting (HTTP)
  • Live Streaming (YouTube)
  • Secure Browsing (HTTPS)
  • Voice Over IP (Skype)
  • Gaming (Online Multiplayer)
  • Terminal Services (SSH)
*Actual speed is dependent on line speed, distance from the exchange, quality of the cabling in your area and current capacity of your Telkom exchange for DSL connections. Throttling may be applied to home uncapped packages once the monthly threshold is reached.
Non-Realtime Services
Non‑Realtime services are shaped on a sliding scale, with higher bandwidth users getting shaped more than low bandwidth users - But only on non‑realtime services, never on realtime services. This helps ensure that our network does not get congested, and that all of our clients have an overall good broadband experience.
If left completely unchecked, torrents and non‑realtime downloads could use most of the network capacity, which can result in other more less interactive types of traffic becoming slow and unstable. We need to manage the non‑realtime services of our higher bandwidth users so that everyone (including them) can have a great realtime broadband experience.
Non-Realtime services include:
  • HTTP Downloads (Downloading files from your browser)
  • Torrents (Bittorrent)
  • News Servers (NNTP)
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Thanks for the wikipedia cut and paste. Could you elaborate how any of this relates to rain?
 
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