Depression.

Velenoso said:
And you guys are all doctors right? If I don't know jack ****, surely you should attempt to enlighten me as opposed to judging and telling me to **** off?



Is this not a forum where topics are 'discussed'? Maybe you should have a chat instead of trying to hide away.



You know what the problem is here? I've had a very tough life myself, I was a refugee from a war-torn Balkan country, lost my mother when I was 12 years old. I went ALONE as a refugee to the U.S at 16 years old and worked my ****ing ass off to get to where I am now. If anybody had a reason to be depressed, it was me. But I wasn't. I persevered and methodically changed every single aspect of my life that I was not happy with until... I was happy. It's turned me into an ass hole sure, but I don't put up with **** and one thing I don't put up with is some whiny people who thing they have big problems, but they have their whole families, good jobs/businesses, etc. No problems at all really.

I understand you say it's a disease, but why is this not proven by medical science and the medication guaranteed to work (read: placebo).

When I met my fiancee 6 years ago she was 'depressed' (slitting wrists, etc). Her best friend had died from a drug overdose, etc. I worked on her, she stopped drinking alcohol (was a problem for her, she would get physically sick if she drank one beer even), she moved in with me became positive and she's a very very happy woman right now. No shrink, no drugs nada. Does that qualify as helping someone with it? It does in my book.

If you guys want to wallow in your 'depression' so be it, if not discuss it here and don't discard someone saying have a positive attitude. It is a better solution to me than taking drugs which may or may not even work.
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Velenoso, stories like yours inspires me to never give up, never stop hoping and always to keep the faith.
Thank you for sharing it! You just made my day.
 
One must be careful not to fall into the trap of getting angry at those you perceive to have had an "easier life" with a "how dare they be depressed, look what I overcame" mentality.
 
Alan said:
One must be careful not to fall into the trap of getting angry at those you perceive to have had an "easier life" with a "how dare they be depressed, look what I overcame" mentality.
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I think thats exactly it. dingdob and valenoso have made it all about themselves and their experiences, and are simply unwilling or unable to comprehend that depression is NOT something that works on a sliding scale of life hardships. In fact I understand that what can be very debilitating for such sufferers is that they have no external reason to be depressed - good life, good friends but yet deeply depressed.
 
Velenoso said:
You know what the problem is here? I've had a very tough life myself, I was a refugee from a war-torn Balkan country, lost my mother when I was 12 years old. I went ALONE as a refugee to the U.S at 16 years old and worked my ****ing ass off to get to where I am now. If anybody had a reason to be depressed, it was me. But I wasn't. I persevered and methodically changed every single aspect of my life that I was not happy with until... I was happy. It's turned me into an ass hole sure, but I don't put up with **** and one thing I don't put up with is some whiny people who thing they have big problems, but they have their whole families, good jobs/businesses, etc. No problems at all really.

I understand you say it's a disease, but why is this not proven by medical science and the medication guaranteed to work (read: placebo).

When I met my fiancee 6 years ago she was 'depressed' (slitting wrists, etc). Her best friend had died from a drug overdose, etc. I worked on her, she stopped drinking alcohol (was a problem for her, she would get physically sick if she drank one beer even), she moved in with me became positive and she's a very very happy woman right now. No shrink, no drugs nada. Does that qualify as helping someone with it? It does in my book.

If you guys want to wallow in your 'depression' so be it, if not discuss it here and don't discard someone saying have a positive attitude. It is a better solution to me than taking drugs which may or may not even work.
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Who is wallowing?

As far as I can recall, I created this thread in a pretty positive mental place, and did so with the intention of perhaps helping other people who might be struggling with the same sort of thing.

Depression has nothing whatsoever to do with how hard your life is - It's not a goddamn competition. There are, I am sure, plenty of happy people with real ****ty lives, and plenty of miserable sods with (materially) awesome lives.

Again, if someone can change with attitude adjustment, and positive thinking, that's awesome. It is not logical to follow from this though, that anyone who needs medication is making up a condition, and is feeling sorry for themselves.

As I said earlier, in response to your statement about placebo - As far as I am aware, antidepressant medication is about equivalent to placebo when used in cases of 'mild' depression. Major clinical depression is another kettle of fish altogether, and medication absolutely can work miracles for people in this situation.
 
kingrob said:
Velenoso, stories like yours inspires me to never give up, never stop hoping and always to keep the faith.
Thank you for sharing it! You just made my day.
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you are inspired by someone who admits he is an ass***le ?

lol. ok. whatever :D Tells us everything we need to know about you :D
 
copacetic said:
Who is wallowing?

As far as I can recall, I created this thread in a pretty positive mental place, and did so with the intention of perhaps helping other people who might be struggling with the same sort of thing.

Depression has nothing whatsoever to do with how hard your life is - It's not a goddamn competition. There are, I am sure, plenty of happy people with real ****ty lives, and plenty of miserable sods with (materially) awesome lives.

Again, if someone can change with attitude adjustment, and positive thinking, that's awesome. It is not logical to follow from this though, that anyone who needs medication is making up a condition, and is feeling sorry for themselves.

As I said earlier, in response to your statement about placebo - As far as I am aware, antidepressant medication is about equivalent to placebo when used in cases of 'mild' depression. Major clinical depression is another kettle of fish altogether, and medication absolutely can work miracles for people in this situation.
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Dude relax i don't think he was targeting you he was just pointing most depressed wallow and make themselves depressed, this is a brilliant thread and should be a contender for thread of the year because it's helpful apart from the silly people who can't keep their hate of religion out of it.

Do you wallow though copa? do you find yourself in situations where you cannot see anything positive?

Whether it's religion, drugs or positive attitude as long as it works but if the person is hell bent on being depressed they cannot be helped. Life is way too amazing to sit and thinking how crap it is.

Velenoso's post is one of the best i have seen, you get people with good lives who are depressed and i was one of them but i found positive energy and changed my mental attitude towards life, I started looking around seeing all the good instead of all the bad.

If you are living well you have no reason to be depressed and you can blame it on your brain being broken but you are fooling yourself because the drugs dealers have done a good job of selling their products. Aided by doctors who just want money.

Zippy he said was is an ******* because he dislikes people who have a good life being depressed and that isn't being an ******* anyhow, whiny little babies who need stop acting like their world is so bad are *******s who won't try and get out of it. Sometimes you need to tell a depressed they are idiots, it might help them wake the f up and realize life is amazing and you make the best of a situation you are in.
 
RiaX said:
>.< i was totally ignored :(
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Well dude you talk a lot of nonsense at times, one minute you are a pharmacist then you work in a positively depressed ward, then you are a doctor.

Basically bro you talk so much kuk i sometimes just ignore you, remember that copa caught you badly in that one thread. pwned your ass and you said you were a pharmacist but now you work in a depression ward for suicide watch. if you stopped changing what you do maybe we could give a shyte what you say. Next we will hear you are doctor or a nasa astronaut. Sorry riax but it's hard to read your posts when you seem to work in places we discuss on the forum LOL.

If you can tell me where you work and i can verify it i will read your posts but if not then i just cannot do it because your story changes so much. You better go check that positive oke who is depressed has not hung himself or maybe you should go serve someone their meds at the pharmacy. Perhaps go check if someone needs a lung transplant. While you are at it perhaps go cure some drug addicts because you do that as well.
 
HapticSimian said:
Rich coming from you; after having summarily dismissed the anguish of so many, you accuse others of judging you?. Regardless of what you may or may not have overcome in your life, you've become someone who can't see past his own privilege. Here's a start, if you're at all actually interested...
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I didn't dismiss anybody's anguish. I'm sure the anguish is real. I'm just not so sure that it's a disease. I believe it's a state of mind and have not yet been convinced otherwise. A lot of the guys in this thread are getting angry with some of our opinions instead of having a mature debate about it.

Spunkywunky1 said:
I think thats exactly it. dingdob and valenoso have made it all about themselves and their experiences, and are simply unwilling or unable to comprehend that depression is NOT something that works on a sliding scale of life hardships. In fact I understand that what can be very debilitating for such sufferers is that they have no external reason to be depressed - good life, good friends but yet deeply depressed.
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Alan said:
One must be careful not to fall into the trap of getting angry at those you perceive to have had an "easier life" with a "how dare they be depressed, look what I overcame" mentality.
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Forgive us for drawing on our own lives and experiences, we are not studying psychiatry here we're having a debate which I've so far been enjoying, but keep getting told to piss off every other post.

kingrob said:
Velenoso, stories like yours inspires me to never give up, never stop hoping and always to keep the faith.
Thank you for sharing it! You just made my day.
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Thanks mate. Wasn't meant to inspire anyone, just a real life example of someone who had real problems and who solved them not through the use of drugs (ok some recreational :p) or therapy or whatever.

copacetic said:
Who is wallowing?

As far as I can recall, I created this thread in a pretty positive mental place, and did so with the intention of perhaps helping other people who might be struggling with the same sort of thing.

Depression has nothing whatsoever to do with how hard your life is - It's not a goddamn competition. There are, I am sure, plenty of happy people with real ****ty lives, and plenty of miserable sods with (materially) awesome lives.

Again, if someone can change with attitude adjustment, and positive thinking, that's awesome. It is not logical to follow from this though, that anyone who needs medication is making up a condition, and is feeling sorry for themselves.

As I said earlier, in response to your statement about placebo - As far as I am aware, antidepressant medication is about equivalent to placebo when used in cases of 'mild' depression. Major clinical depression is another kettle of fish altogether, and medication absolutely can work miracles for people in this situation.
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It's difficult for the layman to beleive that someone can be depressed for 'no good reason'. Certainly when there are people who should be depressed, but aren't. Have a look at this article, it's on Psychology Today which is run by a close friend of mine Lawrence in New York. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/200809/is-depression-disease - Specialists do agree that depressed people are ill - But they have not concluded what causes depression or how to treat it. Until they do, it's not a disease, and I wouldn't discourage anyone to try my approach or kingrobs or anyone elses if it doesn't involve the use of drugs.

killadoob said:
Dude relax i don't think he was targeting you he was just pointing most depressed wallow and make themselves depressed, this is a brilliant thread and should be a contender for thread of the year because it's helpful apart from the silly people who can't keep their hate of religion out of it.

Do you wallow though copa? do you find yourself in situations where you cannot see anything positive?

Whether it's religion, drugs or positive attitude as long as it works but if the person is hell bent on being depressed they cannot be helped. Life is way too amazing to sit and thinking how crap it is.

Velenoso's post is one of the best i have seen, you get people with good lives who are depressed and i was one of them but i found positive energy and changed my mental attitude towards life, I started looking around seeing all the good instead of all the bad.

If you are living well you have no reason to be depressed and you can blame it on your brain being broken but you are fooling yourself because the drugs dealers have done a good job of selling their products. Aided by doctors who just want money.

Zippy he said was is an ******* because he dislikes people who have a good life being depressed and that isn't being an ******* anyhow, whiny little babies who need stop acting like their world is so bad are *******s who won't try and get out of it. Sometimes you need to tell a depressed they are idiots, it might help them wake the f up and realize life is amazing and you make the best of a situation you are in.
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You're right I wasn't targeting him personally. This is just the general vibe you get from 'depressed' people. I agree 100% with the rest of your post.
 
Velenoso said:
It's difficult for the layman to beleive that someone can be depressed for 'no good reason'. Certainly when there are people who should be depressed, but aren't. Have a look at this article, it's on Psychology Today which is run by a close friend of mine Lawrence in New York. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/200809/is-depression-disease - Specialists do agree that depressed people are ill - But they have not concluded what causes depression or how to treat it. Until they do, it's not a disease, and I wouldn't discourage anyone to try my approach or kingrobs or anyone elses if it doesn't involve the use of drugs.
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I tried for about a decade and a half to deal with this sans medication. I tried diets, I tried exercise, I tried not drinking alcohol, I tried thinking my way out, etc, etc.

Finally, I tried medication because I was literally at my wit's end. It made a huge difference.

There is nothing whatsoever wrong with trying to deal with depression without using drugs - In fact, that is certainly the healthiest option, as with any medication, there are always side effects.

But for those who need AD drugs, it gets a bit old when people who by their own admission don't really know what they are talking about, mouthing off about how they should deal with it.

It does annoy me a little, as I suffered without reason for many years, as this anti-medication vibe is perpetuated by the sort of ignorance that has been displayed in this thread.
 
Velenoso said:
Is this not a forum where topics are 'discussed'? Maybe you should have a chat instead of trying to hide away.



You know what the problem is here? I've had a very tough life myself, I was a refugee from a war-torn Balkan country, lost my mother when I was 12 years old. I went ALONE as a refugee to the U.S at 16 years old and worked my ****ing ass off to get to where I am now. If anybody had a reason to be depressed, it was me. But I wasn't. I persevered and methodically changed every single aspect of my life that I was not happy with until... I was happy. It's turned me into an ass hole sure, but I don't put up with **** and one thing I don't put up with is some whiny people who thing they have big problems, but they have their whole families, good jobs/businesses, etc. No problems at all really.

I understand you say it's a disease, but why is this not proven by medical science and the medication guaranteed to work (read: placebo).

When I met my fiancee 6 years ago she was 'depressed' (slitting wrists, etc). Her best friend had died from a drug overdose, etc. I worked on her, she stopped drinking alcohol (was a problem for her, she would get physically sick if she drank one beer even), she moved in with me became positive and she's a very very happy woman right now. No shrink, no drugs nada. Does that qualify as helping someone with it? It does in my book.

If you guys want to wallow in your 'depression' so be it, if not discuss it here and don't discard someone saying have a positive attitude. It is a better solution to me than taking drugs which may or may not even work.
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I'm honestly not trying to attack you by bringing this up. I recall reading it in the honesty thread a while back and and it has me wondering if alcohol is your drug of choice. Many people use alcohol as a way to overcome the stress and depression in their lives.


Velenoso said:
I drink a lot. Like a lot, I think I must have had close to a bottle of whiskey at the pub last night.

I'm an old school type of guy, I don't believe in depression and ADD and all this bull ****, I believe it's all in your head and can be solved with a change in thinking. Do not believe in psychologists or psychiatrists.

I work very hard. I'm constantly working, day and night, weekends, etc :( I employed my (very over qualified) fiancee as my P.A so we could spend more time together.

I can't decide where I want to live. So I keep moving around between Africa, Europe, US, etc

I hate people who can not drive.
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