Depression.

Re: antidepressants are handed out "like candy"

According to the CDC, 9.1 % of Americans have depression:

http://www.cdc.gov/features/dsdepression/revised_table_estimates_for_depression_mmwr_erratum_feb-2011.pdf

According to the CDC, 11 % of Americans aged 12 and older use antidepressants:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db76.htm

Hence the perception that antidepressants are handed out like candy may not be a correct one. The proportion of Americans using antidepressants is about the same as the proportion of Americans with depression.
 
killadoob said:
It's has taken signal how long to see that positive thinking can help people. Don't tell me people have not been arguing against, signal just said o i googled it and i can see how this could help. He has been chatting about it for how many days now?

Naaa copa maybe you missed the abused and blah blah but people have not been listening, it has taking a lot to get them to see depression is not as simple and easy as a drug. If signal has finally seen it then you know something amazing has just happened :D.
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/sigh doob
I've repeatedly asked you to read and understand , but here you are once again.
 
killadoob said:
No i just thought let me leave it alone, it would only bring back haptic to offer nothing but attacks about coke head haha.

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'Nothing but'? Come now; I also showed that you don't know how to distinguish a worthwhile source from trash. And I gave you a fantastic clip of Dr Ben Goldacre containing both the phrases 'skull-****ing' and 'data cock'. Don't downplay my brilliance. :D
 
Humberto said:
According to the CDC, 9.1 % of Americans have depression:

http://www.cdc.gov/features/dsdepression/revised_table_estimates_for_depression_mmwr_erratum_feb-2011.pdf

According to the CDC, 11 % of Americans aged 12 and older use antidepressants:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db76.htm

Hence the perception that antidepressants are handed out like candy may not be a correct one. The proportion of Americans using antidepressants is about the same as the proportion of Americans with depression.
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Not if you don't believe everyone who is depressed should be on antidepressants.
 
Nick333 said:
Not if you don't believe everyone who is depressed should be on antidepressants.
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Yup. Considering the first step is drugs that should be the case. although there are so many depression disorders we could be arguing about different types, so perhaps at some we should clarify which one we are talking about but CBT seems the most logical ethical way of sorting out the good from the bad, you start off working with the patient and seeing what they actually have then move them onto meds if needed.

GP's should get banned from giving out scripts without a letter from a professional.
 
Eish bro please go back one page and look for my reply to copa, i am not typing or re quoting, it is one page back not 10.

Copa picked the worst possible link for blood type related food diets, i don't think he knew dietitians use actual blood work done by labs and help determine what is good and bad for you, whether it is an exact science i don't know but having your blood work done can pickup certain things that can help determine what might be harmful to you but one page back bro.
 
HapticSimian said:
'Nothing but'? Come now; I also showed that you don't know how to distinguish a worthwhile source from trash. And I gave you a fantastic clip of Dr Ben Goldacre containing both the phrases 'skull-****ing' and 'data cock'. Don't downplay my brilliance. :D
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My respect for the man was pretty high to begin with, now I think I want to have his babies.
 
porchrat said:
He is so bad at paying attention he still hasn't got your name right :p
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To be honest dude that is more of an issue for me than it is paying attention. I am sure you can tell by my posts i have an issue. I got all the letters though just sometimes i cannot put them in the right order.

Same as i leave out words, put thing backwards and i have to constantly check 3-4 times to ensure i got it right because first time i struggle :D.
 
killadoob said:
Eish bro please go back one page and look for my reply to copa, i am not typing or re quoting, it is one page back not 10.

Copa picked the worst possible link for blood type related food diets, i don't think he knew dietitians use actual blood work done by labs and help determine what is good and bad for you, whether it is an exact science i don't know but having your blood work done can pickup certain things that can help determine what might be harmful to you but one page back bro.
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I don't have much issue with bloodwork possibly being able to detect various allergens (although I know nothing about this really).

This is not remotely related to the blood type diet we were discussing though.

The goalposts, I am struggling to follow them. :o
 
killadoob said:
No i just thought let me leave it alone, it would only bring back haptic to offer nothing but attacks about coke head haha.

Here is a post i found for you to read, i can link to sites that promote eating for blood type but they will be based on that theory, it easier to go to a lab and get them to confirm what should be avoided.
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?v-print/m-1290403592/

That is based on blood work, you can tell what your body cannot tolerate with a blood test, something all depressed people should have done. If you dig a little that guys theory is not far off but these days you can just get your blood work done and know what to avoid eating. So it is an exact science if you go to a lab and get it done.

http://www.davita.com/kidney-disease/diet-and-nutrition/diet-basics/working-with-a-dietitian/e/5318
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Dietitians
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...registered_dietitian_in_your_health_care.aspx

I would say it could be an exact science when they check your blood work results and develop a list of things to eat and avoid.

That is why i pointed out you linked the worst option when dietitians don't look at some list for blood A and work off google, they use your blood work to determine it. Anyways i guess let's not get into the whole diet causing depression issue.
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There porch my reply regarding the link copa posted.
 
killadoob said:
Eish bro please go back one page and look for my reply to copa, i am not typing or re quoting, it is one page back not 10.

Copa picked the worst possible link for blood type related food diets, i don't think he knew dietitians use actual blood work done by labs and help determine what is good and bad for you, whether it is an exact science i don't know but having your blood work done can pickup certain things that can help determine what might be harmful to you but one page back bro.
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I've put my response here.
 
Anyway, an update:

I've been having insanely bad 'brain-zaps' the whole day. I've already fallen off the wagon, and had two small drams of Johnny Walker Black (who can say no to that nectar), as well as 10 mg's of Diazepam.

I feel great. Relaxed, which is a goddamned rare state for me.

Everything else is on track. Diet, etc.

Feeling pretty good in general.

Will update in the thread if anyone is remotely interested in my mental meanderings.
 
porchrat said:
What is a 'brain zap'?
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It is a little hard to explain but it's a common result of cold-turkeying many types of SSRIs.

Imagine a tiny little internal mind seizure? No external symptoms... It's like a mental electric shock, that, when very bad, can manifest in an electrical shock feeling all over your body, in my case, generally down my arms and 'exploding' in my hands.

Weird, but interesting.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSRI_discontinuation_syndrome

Neurological

Symptoms described as "brain zaps", "brain shocks", "brain shivers", "head shocks", or "cranial zings" are withdrawal symptoms experienced during discontinuation (or reduction of dose) of antidepressant drugs.[3][4] These result from a global downregulation of serotonin in response to increased levels of serotonin in the synaptic cleft, but the specific mechanism through which this creates symptoms is not understood.[citation needed] Common responses to dose reduction or cessation include dizziness, electric shock-like sensations, sweating, nausea, insomnia, tremor, confusion, nightmares, and vertigo.[3][4] The MedDRA "preferred term" for coding these types of symptoms in adverse drug reaction reports (for use in pharmacovigilance databases such as under the Yellow Card Scheme) is paraesthesia.[5][6]

In a 1997 survey in north-east England, a "sizable minority" of medical professionals were not confidently aware of the existence of antidepressant withdrawal symptoms.[7] A 2005 review of adverse event reporting showed that descriptions of "electric shocks" from patients on paroxetine had been reported more frequently than some other symptoms
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copacetic said:
Anyway, an update:

I've been having insanely bad 'brain-zaps' the whole day. I've already fallen off the wagon, and had two small drams of Johnny Walker Black (who can say no to that nectar), as well as 10 mg's of Diazepam.

I feel great. Relaxed, which is a goddamned rare state for me.

Everything else is on track. Diet, etc.

Feeling pretty good in general.

Will update in the thread if anyone is remotely interested in my mental meanderings.
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Diazepam and alcohol, hells yea :D. You should be totally relaxed, doesn't that combo make you tired though? Well i guess it depends on your tolerance to the valium. So copa you are trying to get off the anti depressant and valium at once?

Boy i am glad i stopped anti depressants, had to go through withdrawl like 3 or 4 times because i changed meds. Benzo's got me through it because i could get sleep but then of course the benzo addiction was tough until i found dorminoct.

Have you got strong sleeping tablets copa? For the zaps i found granda pa powder helped me big time.
 
copacetic said:
Anyway, an update:

I've been having insanely bad 'brain-zaps' the whole day. I've already fallen off the wagon, and had two small drams of Johnny Walker Black (who can say no to that nectar), as well as 10 mg's of Diazepam.
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got any severe cravings for any foods?
 
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