Depression.

@ MsDenz, sexism abounds everywhere, even here it seems
Nick333 said:
The absolute undeniable fact is that most diagnosed depressives are medicated. Even if they are receiving treatment, the belief that one can learn to cope with life normally while under the effects of mind altering drugs is ludicrous. The fact is that almost everyone who is diagnosed with depression believes they have a disease which requires medication. How do you tell the difference?
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Firstly, let me say that your statement that 'the belief that one can learn to cope with life normally while under the effects of mind altering drugs is ludicrous', is an uninformed one. Antidepressants have allowed many people, including myself, to lead a totally normal life. That being said, I don't intend to live my life relying on antidepressants. They're mostly just a stepping stone to help you on your way to recovery, however some people will need them indefinitely.

Secondly, we've all admitted that doctors hand out antidepressants like candy, not everone needs them and it's up to the person suffering from depression to make an informed decision whether their depression is serious enough to require them or not.

Lastly, when you refer to people wallowing in their identity as a depressive, and attention and sympathy seeking, you are referring to emo depression. Emo depression is one of the reasons there is so much stigma attached to this illness. People who really suffer from depression are ashamed to seek treatment because of people like emo's who wallow in their depression.
 
Signal my only issue with you is you think that a depressed person cannot help themselves and perhaps when google and youtube did not exist i might agree with you but these days you find youtube channels that will change your life. Although you mock youtube for some reason.

They teach you and show you how to overcome depression by altering your state of mind. You write it off and tell me i am lying that the easy way is 100% the first step for depression.

You are close mind and ignorant, while you may take the wrong way i don't care. There are thousands who have used youtube channels to change from negative depressed people to positive happy with people but you just mock it. It's sad but that is what depression is all about, people think they have a disease and only drugs can cure them.

As i said don't mock something you have never tried, open your mind and perhaps you could change your life without relying on pills, you are more than welcome to tell me i am full of shyte but as i pointed out, happy positive people are not popping pills to be that way, They have a good happy state of mind while depressed people have a sad poor me i hate the world state of mind.

Does not really matter to me if you are unwilling to see there are other options but don't mock something that works, i don't mock taking meds i just have an issue with it being handed out straight up. If depressed people want to stay that way they will and nothing will change that. You are what you say you are :D. Nick333 is also making good posts. Being positive is not some strange thing, it is well documented that a positive mind helps you become happy and that keeps your brain balanced. As i said whatever work for people is good but don't be close minded and ignorant and think pills are the only option because it is the first thing you get given.

Youtube you will find a channel where they will teach you how to alter your mind to become a positive happy person but you can mock it all you like.
 
It's very depressing, the anti USA threads are thinning out fast, must be a reason for it but I just cannot lay my finger on it. Any advice for this depression I am suffering with? No drugs and no life tuition's please.
 
Seriously said:
It's very depressing, the anti USA threads are thinning out fast, must be a reason for it but I just cannot lay my finger on it. Any advice for this depression I am suffering with? No drugs and no life tuition's please.
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Go see a doctor and get meds, that is the first step. Your normal gp will help you out. You don't need to see a specialist. Go in say i am sad i am depressed what can i take for this disease and he you will get given something.

Because you have to treat a disease with drugs.

Low self esteem and low confidence is also a disease, as is negativity but they have no cure or drugs to help with that. so you will just be depressed until you die.
 
killadoob said:
Signal my only issue with you is you think that a depressed person cannot help themselves and perhaps when google and youtube did not exist i might agree with you but these days you find youtube channels that will change your life. Although you mock youtube for some reason.

They teach you and show you how to overcome depression by altering your state of mind. You write it off and tell me i am lying that the easy way is 100% the first step for depression.

You are close mind and ignorant, while you may take the wrong way i don't care. There are thousands who have used youtube channels to change from negative depressed people to positive happy with people but you just mock it. It's sad but that is what depression is all about, people think they have a disease and only drugs can cure them.

As i said don't mock something you have never tried, open your mind and perhaps you could change your life without relying on pills, you are more than welcome to tell me i am full of shyte but as i pointed out, happy positive people are not popping pills to be that way, They have a good happy state of mind while depressed people have a sad poor me i hate the world state of mind.

Does not really matter to me if you are unwilling to see there are other options but don't mock something that works, i don't mock taking meds i just have an issue with it being handed out straight up. If depressed people want to stay that way they will and nothing will change that. You are what you say you are :D. Nick333 is also making good posts. Being positive is not some strange thing, it is well documented that a positive mind helps you become happy and that keeps your brain balanced. As i said whatever work for people is good but don't be close minded and ignorant and think pills are the only option because it is the first thing you get given.

Youtube you will find a channel where they will teach you how to alter your mind to become a positive happy person but you can mock it all you like.
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Hey doobie, your other pal didn't have such a happy and positive attitude today, did he? :DSo now you've latched on to Nick333. Good for you.You need all the friends you can get.
 
Singal said:
Hey doobie, your other pal didn't have such a happy and positive attitude today, did he? :DSo now you've latched on to Nick333. Good for you.You need all the friends you can get.
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I don't even know who are referring to you or what happened, i was out most of the afternoon.

I don't need friends in this thread, mostly ignorant closed mined people who are babies and think depression happens to be a disease for everyone and they can't think positive, it's not possible because they have a disease.

Not my issue anymore, i tried the drug route for many years and then opened my mind up. You are taking this as some sort of contest where you must be proven right but i don't care one way or the other if people want to think depression is a disease that only 50-100 possible drugs will HELP.

I am happy, i think positive, i love my life :D. I did it by dropping the drugs and changing my state of mind so i really don't need to convince anyone that positive energy is the only way, i just want people to know there is more to it than drugs unlike some people who want people to believe it's a disease and only drugs will help. You can get positive while medicated but most think the drug is enough and it's way too much effort. So ya you win the contest, the ignorant and closed minded one :D. It is an amazing award that you should really be proud of but i hope you stop saying that nothing but drugs will help because you are lying.
 
I'd like to apologise to the person I baited earlier today.I guess I wanted to see how you'd react when put on the defensive. It wasn't pretty,but I do apologise.
 
Singal said:
I'd like to apologise to the person I baited earlier today.I guess I wanted to see how you'd react when put on the defensive. It wasn't pretty,but I do apologise.
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Positive people do angry dude, you can be positive and get angry, what happened when you baited him is he knew positivity can work and you were doing your best to prove you were right which made him angry. Anger doesn't go away regardless whether you are positive or negative. Was it velonso? He seems to get angry when ignorant people just shout drugs drugs drugs as the only way. Sadly mostly the ignorant closed minded folk have the loudest voice at the moment. They also attack and bait people who don't accept their drug only story. The amount of abuse last night was kuk funny :D.

Here are some tips for anyone who wants to try change their lives for good, no more trying drugs, no more anxiety tablets. No more wasted money talking about feelings.

http://listverse.com/2007/11/21/top-10-tips-for-beating-depression/
http://www.drogrady.com/16/putting-mind-over-matters/

Now if people are serious beating their depression they will do a lot more than those two sites like find a youtube channel and watch positive people who will help. Those who of you think your brain is beyond repair you may as well just carry on thinking that way because your brain will always beyond repair and so will your depression.

Bare in mind this is an option and it is not guaranteed to work for everyone but how can something work if you simply say to yourself that is rubbish and it can't work.
 
Singal said:
I really wish the mods hadn't removed those comments. I can see why Copacetic is so against censorship. The point I'm trying to make is this....I freely admit I suffer from depression and take antidepressants. I think I have comported myself fairly well in this thread. I have not flown off the handle in a rage. I have not called people names. I have tried to explain that while positive thinking works for some, they don't work for everyone suffering with depression.

I asked someone here a question AFTER being called a stubborn a************, someone who claims he had depression but cured it by being positive and tough. This person flew into a rage and started with the name calling. I was called a whiny b*****and told to toughen the f**** up. Now, I can remember when I was first diagnosed with depression, before the antidepressants took effect, how I would fly off into a rage at the slightest provocation. These days there are no uncontrollable rages. I get angry and upset, but I'm able to control it.

So, it makes me wonder how happy and positive can you be when the slightest provocation sends you off into an angry rant. Uncontrollable anger is a symptom of depression. Has the depression really been cured or is it just there lurking under the surface of your happy mask?
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Singal said:
Hey doobie, your other pal didn't have such a happy and positive attitude today, did he? :DSo now you've latched on to Nick333. Good for you.You need all the friends you can get.
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Singal said:
I'd like to apologise to the person I baited earlier today.I guess I wanted to see how you'd react when put on the defensive. It wasn't pretty,but I do apologise.
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This guy tripping on his anti-depressant drugs or what? :rolleyes:

You didn't read the thread properly, incorrectly assumed that I was depressed which I never said and also incorrectly insinuated that my fiancée was slitting her wrists because of me. Again not reading properly.

Reading all your posts above I am not going to comment any further.
 
Eina tuning you that you were the reason your chick was slitting your wrists? ouch, that is what negative people, do they push their negative depressed shyte onto others.

That is why being around positive people is also important if you are around people who go out of their way to be negative and nasty it can have an impact on others.

there is a difference between personally trying to hurt someone and putting them under pressure. Spunky tried to pressure me by tuning me broken and i was fine but if had he told me something like that i would have also lost it.

The sickness of negativity cannot be cured sadly unless people are willing to. They want to make people as negative and nasty as they are mostly. That is terrible signal.
 
killadoob said:
Positive people do angry dude, you can be positive and get angry, what happened when you baited him is he knew positivity can work and you were doing your best to prove you were right which made him angry. Anger doesn't go away regardless whether you are positive or negative. Was it velonso? He seems to get angry when ignorant people just shout drugs drugs drugs as the only way. Sadly mostly the ignorant closed minded folk have the loudest voice at the moment. They also attack and bait people who don't accept their drug only story. The amount of abuse last night was kuk funny :D.

Here are some tips for anyone who wants to try change their lives for good, no more trying drugs, no more anxiety tablets. No more wasted money talking about feelings.

http://listverse.com/2007/11/21/top-10-tips-for-beating-depression/
http://www.drogrady.com/16/putting-mind-over-matters/

Now if people are serious beating their depression they will do a lot more than those two sites like find a youtube channel and watch positive people who will help. Those who of you think your brain is beyond repair you may as well just carry on thinking that way because your brain will always beyond repair and so will your depression.

Bare in mind this is an option and it is not guaranteed to work for everyone but how can something work if you simply say to yourself that is rubbish and it can't work.
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The reason I apologised is because I know it can take one thoughtless and hurtful remark to be the trigger that sends a person back into a depressive state. Not immediately, it plays on your mind and a few months later you're back in that dark place.

Doob, we've tried to explain to you that positivity works, definitely, but some types of depression doesn't allow you to see the positivity. RiaX called it right when he said 'you're at the mercy of your mind'. With some types of depression there's no off switch. You can't just watch a few youtube videos and tell yourself to be positive. You're steeped in negativity. Negativity, together with low self-esteem and low confidence are symptoms of depression, not causes. This is what you fail to understand.
 
killadoob said:
Eina tuning you that you were the reason your chick was slitting your wrists? ouch, that is what negative people, do they push their negative depressed shyte onto others.

That is why being around positive people is also important if you are around people who go out of their way to be negative and nasty it can have an impact on others.
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Yeah, the guy didn't read the thread. Then goes on to make it like I started something.

Exactly. We try post real life examples here, take some time to try to help someone and all you get are insults. Look its a forum i don't give a ****, but just goes to show the type of personality we're dealing with here. :eek:
 
Negativity, together with low self-esteem and low confidence

Those are the 3 main reasons why people get pressed bud. Majority of people it is their thought process making them depressed.

http://depression.about.com/cs/psychotherapy/a/cognitive.htm

You do not see happy positive people who confident on anti depressants or needing them. Sorry signal i don't read riax's posts because he has lied so many times, one minute he works in a pharmacy, then he works in a drug recovery ward, now he works in a suicide watch ward and i have asked where and he refuses to tell me, riax is a liar i think and i won't even bother with his posts.

Velonso we get attacked because the guys are so negative and their outlook so bad they would rather insult helpful people than believe their precious drugs may not be needed, plus they have a disease remember so poor them, they must be suffering. Hard to deal with people who are dark and negative but i was there once so i can understand it. I tend to find negative people are never wrong and would rather attack people if they do not agree with them :D, even when there is no right or wrong they still make it a contest LOL
 
killadoob said:
Negativity, together with low self-esteem and low confidence

Those are the 3 main reasons why people get pressed bud. Majority of people it is their thought process making them depressed.

http://depression.about.com/cs/psychotherapy/a/cognitive.htm

You do not see happy positive people who confident on anti depressants or needing them. Sorry signal i don't read riax's posts because he has lied so many times, one minute he works in a pharmacy, then he works in a drug recovery ward, now he works in a suicide watch ward and i have asked where and he refuses to tell me, riax is a liar i think and i won't even bother with his posts.

Velonso we get attacked because the guys are so negative and their outlook so bad they would rather insult helpful people than believe their precious drugs may not be needed, plus they have a disease remember so poor them, they must be suffering. Hard to deal with people who are dark and negative but i was there once so i can understand it. I tend to find negative people are never wrong and would rather attack people if they do not agree with them :D, even when there is no right or wrong they still make it a contest LOL
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Have a look at this article as well http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...companies-creation-of-medical-lobotomies.aspx
 
Humberto said:
Happy people, by definition, are not depressed, hence would have no need for antidepressants.
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Obviously, they are happy because that is how they have become. Some people are depressed because they are lonely or hate the way they look, then that leads to low confidence, then they become negative and from there they start damaging their brain. If they took the time to look around see how amazing life is they may be able to reverse their negative mind and become happy.

They talk themselves into thinking there is something wrong with them and then get drugs and do not work on the issues making them unhappy. To me i don't care if people want to live like that but i won't accept that positive thinking cannot work because i know it does, so do thousands of people who have forced their brain to reverse the negativity. Drugs are easier though, pop a pill. Much easier than months of training your brain.

I will give a read as soon as i am back from gym velonso :D.
 
killadoob said:
...i won't accept that positive thinking cannot work because i know it does, so do thousands of people who have forced their brain to reverse the negativity. Drugs are easier though, pop a pill. Much easier than months of training your brain.

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Read the ****ing discussion, join its direction & stop spewing incoherent and irrelevant horse manure, or go snort a line & **** off. Nobody asserted that positive thinking & concious adjustment of thought processes 'cannot work', but you fail to realise that it is simply NOT a viable course of action for some.
 
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