You've been through this before, so you should know if you can brave it out or not. Imo since you're having suicidal thoughts you should go see your doc.
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killadoob
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Humberto get off zoloft, disgusting drug. Taper off though but honestly perhaps for some people it works but for me it made depressed badly and tired, wow was i tired. Wellbutin and lamicitin seems to be working pretty well. Zoloft was a tough experience though, that is not a drug i would like to have used for too long.
Try welbutrin, zoloft is just wow. Horrific. Makes you feel like shyte. You could also try and get a mood stabilizer like lamicitin but you need something with it or you just feel flat which is pretty good i must admit. Also my mind doesn't race and i can focus better now as well. I am not depressed though, i just have bi polar where i am more flat/down than manic.
No one said talk yourself out of depression, we said have a positive attitude, you chose to go off your meds and give up nicotine, meds, drinking, drugs and whatever else you were on at once, we said you are doing too much now you blame us for your irresponsibility?. Geez your memory is worse than mine. You can have depression, bi polar whatever but maintain a positive outlook on life which will help. No one said quit your drugs like you did we even said you are taking it to far. Nor did anyone say you can talk yourself out of clinical depression. Go back and read, i can imagine you were messed up having quit everything so you need to just go check it out for yourself. All that withdrawl i am sure was not nice all at once. You even decided not to taper some of the drugs if i recall.
I just started welburtrin and lamicitin, doc put me on zoloft but my gosh that is the most disgusting stuff ever, i only took 9 doses before i phoned and had it changed. That withdrawl feeling is something to be reckoned with while taking it daily
. Christ i was eating everything i could see. No ways that drug will make you a fattie of note lol. Chucked it out yesterday, still 18 tablets left. Thought thank goodness that shyte is gone.
Try welbutrin, zoloft is just wow. Horrific. Makes you feel like shyte. You could also try and get a mood stabilizer like lamicitin but you need something with it or you just feel flat which is pretty good i must admit. Also my mind doesn't race and i can focus better now as well. I am not depressed though, i just have bi polar where i am more flat/down than manic.
No one said talk yourself out of depression, we said have a positive attitude, you chose to go off your meds and give up nicotine, meds, drinking, drugs and whatever else you were on at once, we said you are doing too much now you blame us for your irresponsibility?. Geez your memory is worse than mine. You can have depression, bi polar whatever but maintain a positive outlook on life which will help. No one said quit your drugs like you did we even said you are taking it to far. Nor did anyone say you can talk yourself out of clinical depression. Go back and read, i can imagine you were messed up having quit everything so you need to just go check it out for yourself. All that withdrawl i am sure was not nice all at once. You even decided not to taper some of the drugs if i recall.
I just started welburtrin and lamicitin, doc put me on zoloft but my gosh that is the most disgusting stuff ever, i only took 9 doses before i phoned and had it changed. That withdrawl feeling is something to be reckoned with while taking it daily
. Christ i was eating everything i could see. No ways that drug will make you a fattie of note lol. Chucked it out yesterday, still 18 tablets left. Thought thank goodness that shyte is gone.
copacetic
King of the Hippies
Having a positive attitude amounts to the same thing as thinking yourself out of depression.
If I had a positive attitude all the time, I don't think I'd view myself as a depressed person.
Anyway, not an argument I wish to have, either way.
The bottom line is that if you need medication, you ****ing need it.
Which does not change the fact, of course, that it is handed out too widely, and too easily, this is not something I've ever taken issue with.
If I had a positive attitude all the time, I don't think I'd view myself as a depressed person.
Anyway, not an argument I wish to have, either way.
The bottom line is that if you need medication, you ****ing need it.
Which does not change the fact, of course, that it is handed out too widely, and too easily, this is not something I've ever taken issue with.
rubytox
Expert Member
Telling a depressed person to have a positive attitude is like trying to start a car with a flat battery.
killadoob
Honorary Master
Nope we have been over this, having a positive attitude does not talk yourself out of chemically imbalanced depression let me call it. For your average my life sucks i want to be a millionaire depressed emo folk yes a positive attitude will fix them right up. Being depressed does not mean there is anything wrong with you, however having a chemical imbalance and being depressed when you are a positive person means there is something wrong with you. Depression does not entitle you to a pessimistic and negative way of thinking, that is all on you.
Nobody said go off the meds or do anything, some of us just said try having a positive outlook on life regardless of your condition and some minor depression is cured by a positive attitude but i can sense in your posts you are back to that dark negative place which is sad to see.
Smoking again, drinking and back on your meds i assume? I am bi polar(more down than up) and i have concentration problems. I was told that for many bi polar people mania can actually manifest itself as anger which is what happens in my case. So i am on lamicitin and wellbutrin. Although at this stage it really is about finding the good combo but the mood stabilizer really helps, my mind is no longer racing. My issue is i was diagnosed with depression which so many people are because of the amount of possibles and put on ssri's back in my early 20's which only made my condition worse actually. So i went off them and only recently decided to go back and try something. Does that give me the right to hate the world and hate my life? Not a chance, does it mean i might find things fun again i sure hope so.
dj said to me get tested again
. he is the one who recommended lamicitin actually and thank goodness for him. So i have the concentration issue somewhat sorted now i need to move into the happier stage more than the unhappier stage which i am hoping welbutin will do. Zoloft aggg no sis, that is like being a heroine addict
Nobody said go off the meds or do anything, some of us just said try having a positive outlook on life regardless of your condition and some minor depression is cured by a positive attitude but i can sense in your posts you are back to that dark negative place which is sad to see.
Smoking again, drinking and back on your meds i assume? I am bi polar(more down than up) and i have concentration problems. I was told that for many bi polar people mania can actually manifest itself as anger which is what happens in my case. So i am on lamicitin and wellbutrin. Although at this stage it really is about finding the good combo but the mood stabilizer really helps, my mind is no longer racing. My issue is i was diagnosed with depression which so many people are because of the amount of possibles and put on ssri's back in my early 20's which only made my condition worse actually. So i went off them and only recently decided to go back and try something. Does that give me the right to hate the world and hate my life? Not a chance, does it mean i might find things fun again i sure hope so.
dj said to me get tested again
. he is the one who recommended lamicitin actually and thank goodness for him. So i have the concentration issue somewhat sorted now i need to move into the happier stage more than the unhappier stage which i am hoping welbutin will do. Zoloft aggg no sis, that is like being a heroine addict killadoob
Honorary Master
Excuse my wall of text, it is mostly for copa but can you guys tell me what you have successfully tried with http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=20241&name=LAMICTAL&sort=Timelength
I don't want anything like an anti depressant, zoloft, paxal etc. They give me bad withdrawal symptoms when they start running out and i feel like i need to eat everything in sight. I am currently on wellbutrin and thus far it has been good but only two days into it.
Open to other stuff but not zoloft or anything similar to that shyte.
I don't want anything like an anti depressant, zoloft, paxal etc. They give me bad withdrawal symptoms when they start running out and i feel like i need to eat everything in sight. I am currently on wellbutrin and thus far it has been good but only two days into it.
Open to other stuff but not zoloft or anything similar to that shyte.
D3nz
Honorary Master
I really hope you have someone in your life you can talk to about this. Don't let this phase drag on too long. Go see the doc if you don't snap out of it soon.
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killadoob
Honorary Master
Take it easy, son.
We're always here, talk to us. Even killa.
awwww thanx
. Humbertoo have you tried a mood stabilizer? believe it or not many people are said to have depression when they actually have a form of bi polar which means you are not on the correct meds. Mood stabilizer has helped me so much in the last 10 days, i can't wait to get it up to 50mg then it's ideal dose of 100mg-200mg. I recall when i tried just anti depressants i was a very negative, down and nasty person to be around. Not sure why i didn't think bi polar meds when i was 25, would have saved me from so many bad nights . Granted anti depressants help those that have the condition but yikes zoloft made me think some pretty bad things and made me feel rather depressed.If zoloft worked before and helped you go ask your pdoc for some more dude. you haven't really said what you are on or what you are off.
copacetic
King of the Hippies
Wellbutrin is an antidepressant.
It is a highly personalized thing though, what works for you may be absolutely terrible for something else.
I was lucky that the first thing I tried worked.
As for hating the world and my life, I am fairly certain I have never voiced any statements like that...
killadoob
Honorary Master
I never said you made a single statement did i copa? why if something worked did you stop it? Glad you found something that makes you happy dude.
I should have mentioned i don't want snri/ssri anti depressants.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antidepressants/HQ01069
Wondering if anyone has had any success with lamictal and something else.
Seriously, just try Vitamin D.
Anybody who still say this has no idea what depression is.
rubytox
Expert Member
Depression sucks you into a dark void. It's a slow process. Once you reach the stage of suicide ideation, you are on a very fast downward spiral. Anyhow, that's how I experienced it. Anti depressants sorted it out, in combination with lifestyle changes. I started attending Yoga classes. Meds on it's own helps to lift the dark cloud but IMO, you should also explore new interests.
P.S. the doc recommended psycho therapy. I tried it but got bored with talking about myself and my past.
What I find astonishing is how he keeps saying for people to talk themselves happy but then admits to needing meds to do it for him. This and then doing drugs to have a good time at a party. It is almost like purposely trying to upset people (that are depressed no less) aka trolling.
copacetic
King of the Hippies
I think killa is a good egg - Just a bit of a challenge to communicate with sometimes, which is the case for most of us really.
HapticSimian
Honorary Master
The chick who gave the Internet this image:
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... has two posts up on depression, here and here - it's a good read. For those who haven't personally experienced depression it's a pretty accurate glimpse into the psyche of a depressed person. For those who have it might just be some confirmation that there are others dealing with, and rising above, the same crap.
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... has two posts up on depression, here and here - it's a good read. For those who haven't personally experienced depression it's a pretty accurate glimpse into the psyche of a depressed person. For those who have it might just be some confirmation that there are others dealing with, and rising above, the same crap.
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killadoob
Honorary Master
I have never talked anyone into trying to get off meds to beat depression, i have maintained all the way through that having a good positive outlook will help when your brain avoid wanting to go into that dark place, it will help you more than being all like life hating, self loathing and negative.
As ruby mentioned, the meds certainly people but i do fully believe if you fall into that self loathing negative way of thinking the meds will not be as effective. You have to at least try see the world in a good light.
I never once said people don't need meds, you are putting words in my mouth. These meds i am on are not magical mind altering, positive thinking things i am popping dude. They will just balance my mood and get rid of my rage issues and changing moods from day to day, so yes i need meds and i am on meds, does that mean i hate my life? does that mean i have to hate myself? does that mean i should lie in bed feeling sorry for myself? Nope i should be embracing the fact that i have chosen to take these meds, i should be using this as opportunity to better myself or i guess i could go lie in bed crying about my life and how horrible the world is until these magical pills work which they never will because i will be too busy crying in my bed.
You can take your troll comment and shove it bro. I never said stop meds or people don't need meds, i said the first thing depressed or even bi polar people need is to have is a positive outlook. Some meds will make you more depressed, read the list of side effects, depression is listed. You are less likely to become that guy in haptics post which is just amazing BTW haptic
if you think positively.Take as many meds as you need but remain as positive as possible. If you don't like the advice that is your issue. Someone mentioned i don't know what depression and yes i do, i trained myself to become positive because i was tired of the depression, hating my life and hating myself. So i get days when i am depressed or down yes but it isn't as bad as it was in my early 20's. So i do know.
What i didn't realize in my early 20's was that anti depressants were making me more depressed because i never had depression i had bi polar so my doctor never gave me a mood stabilizer to go with the anti depressants. The mood stabilizer is the best thing, no more racing thoughts and i don't switch moods hourly/daily and hopefully weekly. So i was depressed for a long time.
Anyways if you don't like my advice and you don't want have a positive outlook even on meds then go for it but don't call me a troll because you don't agree with me, i am many things but a troll isn't one of them.
if you don't like that i think positive thinking is better than negative thinking fine, that is your decision. If you want to be on meds and feel sorry for yourself go right ahead. At the end of the day as long as you find enjoyment in life and meds that work good for you.
Thanx copa
i am good egg haha but ya i can difficult to deal with but that is going to change, finally i have found something other than booze and cat to lift my mood instead of being flat and down . Believe it or not swa positive people can feel sadness for no reason.rubytox
Expert Member
Killa, I do agree with what you're saying. The reality is that many depressed people do not have the ability to change their thinking patterns. Negativity goes hand-in-hand with depression. When your life falls apart around you, such as dealing with the death of a loved one, there is nothing anyone says that would change your mindset to positive. Granted, everybody respond differently to these kind of situations but the magnitude of your life circumstances will impact on your ability to be positive and ward off the depression demon.
During my depression phase I forced myself to do things. I have vivid memories of painting all my flower pots purple and of the neighbour swearing at me because I decided to mow the lawn at 6 in the morning.
Having said all that, I do understand where you're coming from and I have to commend you for realising that you need your meds to function on a relatively normal level. It's way better than a bi-polar person refusing to accept the positive benefits of taking meds but instead make life hell for everyone around them.
During my depression phase I forced myself to do things. I have vivid memories of painting all my flower pots purple and of the neighbour swearing at me because I decided to mow the lawn at 6 in the morning.
Having said all that, I do understand where you're coming from and I have to commend you for realising that you need your meds to function on a relatively normal level. It's way better than a bi-polar person refusing to accept the positive benefits of taking meds but instead make life hell for everyone around them.
Zewp
Banned
Sorry, but no. Telling someone with severe depression to keep a positive outlook on life is pretty funny. It's like sticking a plaster over a gunshot wound and telling the person to stop feeling the pain.
HapticSimian
Honorary Master
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You are less likely to become that guy in haptics post which is just amazing BTW haptic
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I just... I have to point out: still with the reading issues? Literally the 2nd word of my post, 'chick', and it's 'that guy' from my post? :wtf: Good god, man.