Depression.

Killadoob: No, just the normal Welbutrin - think it was XL? , 300mg.

Very high dose, did you start on 300? The mood stabilizer I think would help with agression but l am only 3days into it so hopefully I don't get any sides. None thus far. I will go to 300Mg just to see next month but I didn't want to start with a high dose. If I get sides then I know the dose is too high.
 
OK Swa, I did what you said: I bought vitamin D. I'm sitting here with the bottle in front of me. What am I supposed to do with it? Throw me a bone, man.
 
Yeah started off with 300, then dropped down to 150 the last 2 months. Still had the side effects though. Be careful with this drug, very powerful. Expensive too. I've been on meds since 2007, but it's combined with an autoimmune diseases. perhaps that's why I was on 300 to start. You probably know that you should not start or stop these kinds of meds suddenly, but slowly over 2 weeks. Still, a doctor would know what's best. Good luck mate, depression is a horrible black hole. Don't give in.
 
I have never talked anyone into trying to get off meds to beat depression, i have maintained all the way through that having a good positive outlook will help when your brain avoid wanting to go into that dark place, it will help you more than being all like life hating, self loathing and negative.
I never claimed you did. You are giving the impression that someone can just think happy thoughts. We keep telling you that depression doesn't work like that. The organ that's supposed to think the happy thoughts is the one that's sick so it's not so simple. It's like telling a person in a coma they should just stop being lazy and wake up.

I never once said people don't need meds, you are putting words in my mouth. These meds i am on are not magical mind altering, positive thinking things i am popping dude. They will just balance my mood and get rid of my rage issues and changing moods from day to day, so yes i need meds and i am on meds, does that mean i hate my life? does that mean i have to hate myself? does that mean i should lie in bed feeling sorry for myself? Nope i should be embracing the fact that i have chosen to take these meds, i should be using this as opportunity to better myself or i guess i could go lie in bed crying about my life and how horrible the world is until these magical pills work which they never will because i will be too busy crying in my bed.
They are. If they alter your mood that's exactly what they are. If you think the meds have no effect on your outlook then stop taking them. But you won't because you can still remember wanting to do all those things you mention before taking the meds.
 
OK Swa, I did what you said: I bought vitamin D. I'm sitting here with the bottle in front of me. What am I supposed to do with it? Throw me a bone, man.
That was fast. :wtf: I suppose the ones you've got is 500IU. So you take 10 per day to get the recommended dose of 5,000IU. If the bottle contains 120 that should last almost 2 weeks. Don't worry about overdosing. That's impossible from one bottle. This is just a test run to see if it works. If it does you can worry about testing while taking it.
 
I never claimed you did. You are giving the impression that someone can just think happy thoughts. We keep telling you that depression doesn't work like that. The organ that's supposed to think the happy thoughts is the one that's sick so it's not so simple. It's like telling a person in a coma they should just stop being lazy and wake up.


They are. If they alter your mood that's exactly what they are. If you think the meds have no effect on your outlook then stop taking them. But you won't because you can still remember wanting to do all those things you mention before taking the meds.

Actually i never really had an issue before apart from rage and changing moods, my outlook on life was very good and positive. I would rage and get angry in tough situations but that actually helped me get through the day and get everything done on time and with quality to boot. However office relationships suffered.

I just want a level head but most of all i want to stop wondering what mood i will be in and most importantly better concentration, i am just lucky i do so amny things in a day i don't have to focus for too long. Even when i am depressed i can assure you if i was still negative i would be far worse off and i have never said think yourself out of depression, i just think if try and maintain a positive outlook you are better off than thinking those negative thoughts which will send you into the dark places. You have to recognize that being depressed is fine but it does not mean you have to be negative and down while you sit crying. Being depressed is a chemical thing but thinking is also a chemical reaction so unless you can't think while you are depresed i will never believe you cannot maintain a positive outlook or at least try to. You don't become brain dead(o porch it is just begging for you to use it against me) and if you do perhaps you need to go somewhere and get proper help, riax can recommend a good place i have heard.

Positive thinking changed my life, anti depressants didn't do anything but make me worse, bipolar was not really big in those days so everything was pointed at depression and i eventually decided i would live i did and just think as positive as possible and it helped my depression immensely. You just have to look at the most epic post in this thread which was haptics to fully understand it. I am just tired of having to use alcohol or cat to get that good feeling, fun, overly happy person i know can be fixed if i can find the right combo of drugs, mood stabilizer is the beginning of my journey thanx to good ol DJ. rip buddie.

Vitamin D is an option, i personally thinking vitamin D isn't a cure but you don't see me saying your theory or possible solution is rubbish because it might work, who am i to say vitamin d isn't the cure. In all honesty there isn't a cure but there are way to help the meds help you, for me i think it's positive thinking, you seem to think vitamin d will cure it or help people think happy thoughts. Wow i better go chill in the sun tomorrow. that should be enough vitmin D or did i need to supplement? I am happy to try anything that may help. So instead of making out like i have ever said you can talk yourself out of anything, i have only advocated(look porch a big word) using it as a tool to ensure your depressive moments are not dark and scary and won't leave you crying thinking how crap life is. Although can brain dead people can tablets, are they capable of telling their arms to get water and swallow a pill?

In closing, does positive thinking cure chemical imbalances, nope. Can it help depressed people who are perfectly fine but are negative yes, can it help medication and ensure your depressive episodes are not that bad yes. Swa explain your vit d theory to us please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D
http://www.naturalnews.com/039643_depression_vitamin_d_deficiency.html

So where is the magic?
I will buy some from dischem on saturday just to check it out :D. If it works then great if not i have not lost anything. Don't stress i won't come and say i took it and then go off about your crazy theory or anything. Willing to try different things. How long until i see the effect swa? Will it interfere with my current medication?

http://news.menshealth.com/vitamin-d-depression/2012/07/11/

Interesting stuff swa. K so who else wants to test this :D. i will follow the recommended daily dose from saturday and see. Sounds like a different idea, most anti depressants have no idea how exactly they work anyhow lol.
 
Because most forumites are IT Cryptcrawlers who last saw the natural sun many many moons ago.

See there? that's the problem.
Get the meds and get a life. Go frolicking in the waves or smoke some pot on a mountain.
After a few trips, you can wean yourself off the meds and keep up the appointments with mother nature.
 
Oh ... and get a dog. Dogs changed my life and I have to mention, I was VERY reluctant to accept a puppy. It was the last thing I wanted.
No matter what you do for your dog, he will always show gratitude and affection.
 
27 April - 15 August = impossible to effectively make Vitamin D

Oh come on Swa, get real. There will always be rainy days. It's been raining in Cape Town since Sunday. Sure, I'm starting to suffer cabin fever.

Depression can be a good thing. Everyone should know that life is a never ending process of change. Depression is the subconscious preparing you for change. Embrace it.
 
Oh ... and get a dog. Dogs changed my life and I have to mention, I was VERY reluctant to accept a puppy. It was the last thing I wanted.
No matter what you do for your dog, he will always show gratitude and affection.
Yep, pets make a huge difference in your life when you're suffering from depression.
 
Oh come on Swa, get real. There will always be rainy days. It's been raining in Cape Town since Sunday. Sure, I'm starting to suffer cabin fever.

Depression can be a good thing. Everyone should know that life is a never ending process of change. Depression is the subconscious preparing you for change. Embrace it.
Nobody is talking about rain. Did you even look at those links? It's the angle of the sun which will only get worse until 25 June. This is why there's an increase in depression or SAD during winter months and in northern countries. We're supposed to store enough during summer to last through winter but with modern lifestyles most people don't even get enough exposure for summer.

Btw do you get more outside time since the pup? I know of many people that report being happier after getting a pet but the responsibility also forces them outside.
 
I always thought depression was anger turned inwards.

It's not the same for everyone. Here's one explanation:

SOME ATTEMPTS AT EXPLANATION

Biological
Some theories propose that clinical depression in caused by a biological problem. Sleep and eating (vegetative functions) problems are often used as evidence for the biological theories as is the fact that people who are depressed often respond to anti-depressant medication. Recent research made possible by non-invasive techniques (MRI, CAT) have shown that the brains of people experiencing depression show marked variations in the absorption of serotonin and norepinephrine. giving greater credibility to the biological bases for depression. Both the older and newer generations of anti-depressant medications deal directly with these neurotransmitter, often preventing their re-uptake making them more available at the synapses. If, ultimately, depression as we know it turns out to be a "biochemical disorder," the temptation may be to overlook the psychological components that are a part of this illness. Psychological reactions are a part of every illness and need to be addressed if the suffering individual is to be helped.

Psychological: Failure to live up to ideal

Psychological theories have traditionally explained depression as "Anger turned inward against the self." If you fail to live up to some internal standard of who or what you are supposed to be, some internal watchdog notes your failure and begins to let you know that you haven't been all that you could be--depression. People often talk about being angry with themselves because they have not accomplished or achieved or done what they think they should have. This explanation accounts for the diminished self esteem depressed people often report.

Psychological: Problems expressing anger

Often depressed people report having great difficulties expressing any kind of anger. Instead of becoming angry with someone who has provoked them, the anger is turned inward against some part of the self. They don't even kick the cat; they kick themselves. These people have a way of making everything their own fault so that no matter what happens, they can blame themselves. Others talk about anger as a useless emotion, i.e., "What good does getting angry do anyway?" Intellectually, they attempt to convince themselves and others that anger accomplishes nothing so why bother. What they don't realize is that this style drives anger beneath the surface and forces it to find a more indirect avenue for expression.

Psychological: Empathic failures

Depression also seems to be the reaction to empathic failures on the part of others. When important people fail to understand, recognize, acknowledge, appreciate, or respond in a way that we hoped they would, that can be a sufficient injury to produce a depression. It is as if their failure delivers the message that we are not good enough, worthwhile or important. It is a slight to our self esteem and it does not even have to be of major proportions. Some people are more sensitive to this kind of injury because of their personal history, so a small slight may well have the same psychological importance as a major rebuff

Psychological: Reactions to life events

Certain events that occur as a part of life carry depression as a component. Endings, separations. losses, and death elicit strong emotional reactions in those who are experiencing them; depression is often a part. More specifically, divorce, moving to a new place, graduations, the end of a romantic relationship, a good friend moving away, the completion of a major project, the death of a loved one are examples of normal events that can evoke strong, reactive depressions. These depressions are a part of a more global emotional state known as "mourning" when an individual withdraws his energies from other activities and seemingly reinvests them in himself. Loss is experienced as a wound and the individual needs time to heal, to restore his psychic equilibrium. The period following loss is a time of reassessment and revision. Loss requires a new adjustment, a learning to do without whatever has been lost. It is a slow process and often a confusing time as people try to work out how their life is going to be now. Periods of mourning and its attendant depression that stretch beyond three years, however, should be carefully assessed. This otherwise normal process may have taken on some pathological elements.

THE CLINICAL SPECTRUM

Depression runs the gamut from mild to severe and at the severe end of the continuum, it is a profoundly disabling disorder. The more common forms of depression are currently labeled Dysthymia (Depressive Neurosis). A more severe version is considered to be a Major Depression. At the severe end of the continuum are the Bipolar Disorders which are characterized by depression or mania or a combination of both mood states. Milder forms of this disorder are called cyclothymia. Depression may exist with or without psychotic features (markedly impaired reality testing, peculiar or highly idiosyncratic thinking). It may be chronic (of long standing) or episodic (intervening periods of normal moods).
Psychotic depressions are paralyzing, often characterized by complete withdrawal, the absence of speech and the absence of movement. It is as if the person returns to an exclusively vegetative state where only bare existence is maintained. Depressions that reach this level often require hospitalization and are treated with antidepressant medication or electro-convulsive therapy (ECT).

The manic side is quite a different picture. It is characterized by high states of agitation, driven behavior, stream of consciousness thinking, emotionality, a need to be doing something all the time, an exaggerated sense of well being, poor reality testing, poor judgement, and irritability. The person who is in a manic state gives the impression of being incredibly "high" on something. They are uncontainable, off in a million different directions simultaneously. Often, hospitalization and medication is required in order to treat the person. Lithium is often prescribed as the drug of choice since it tends to dampen the manic state and prevent future episodes when taken properly.

It is not uncommon for a person suffering from a bipolar or cyclothymic disorder to move back and forth between depressed and manic positions. Some theorists believe that the manic phase is really a defense against depression. The person is struggling mightily to keep from becoming depressed by maintaining this exaggerated mental and physical activity level. It is also possible for people to show only the depressed side or only the manic side.

In the more moderate range are the depressions that are not so profound but nevertheless painful and troubling to the people who experience them. Hospitalization is seldom required and usually psychotherapy will provide sufficient insight so that there will be relief from the symptoms of depression. It is not unusual to discover that people suffering a moderate depression are also being treated with antidepressant medication. What is important to remember is that talking is often a very important means for the depressed person to find out why he/she is depressed. What are the triggers in his/her life that sets the depression into motion.

http://www.uic.edu/orgs/convening/depress.htm
 
That was fast. :wtf: I suppose the ones you've got is 500IU. So you take 10 per day to get the recommended dose of 5,000IU. If the bottle contains 120 that should last almost 2 weeks. Don't worry about overdosing. That's impossible from one bottle. This is just a test run to see if it works. If it does you can worry about testing while taking it.

I took 1000 IU yesterday, and 1000 IU this morning. I'm a bit scared to take 5000 IU per day. How long should I wait to see an effect?
 
How can one stimulate the release of beta-endorphins? Apparently eating chilli can help, but too much chilli over time can cause stomach ulcers.
 
usually calciferol is dosed weekly or monthly.

You can blindly (without blood work) take 50 000 IU once a month as a single dose, there shouldnt be a problem, however thats if you got proper calciferol and not the OTC supplements
 
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