Icemanbrfc
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true, but as i said, the complaints around data loss is a bit of a strange one. Surely users need to know or check what is consuming most of their data, before actually laying blame at the networks.
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true, but as i said, the complaints around data loss is a bit of a strange one. Surely users need to know or check what is consuming most of their data, before actually laying blame at the networks.
Ockie
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I agree. The fact remains that something on the phone must give the instruction for data to be sent and received. It does not just happen via osmosis.
Tabac
Honorary Master
Lmao - I agree with that. BUT, seems like apps are consuming more data that before. Like i've said, i'm a easy going data user. Whatsapp chat, don't even open video files - unless i'm on wifi. Now there's a bunch of apps, software, whatever consuming data just to keep the phone alive and well.
Icemanbrfc
Honorary Master
yep, and for as long as im in the cellular industry, i really cant see a network just randomly pull data. The risk for them being taken to court over something like that is way too high. To lose millions in settlements over it just doesnt make sense.
I can say though, that if you should have a 250MB data bundle on an old Symbian device using GPRS/EDGE and you pull data off there, you will have 249 megs left by the end of the month lol
So basically, you want a high end smartphone, you running off an LTE connection, and you have loads of apps that require a data connection, then you should in theory load a big enough bundle, or you do not allow data to pull through on specific apps that consumes high usage.
Icemanbrfc
Honorary Master
I think you missing the point ockie was making. Even if you are only using whatsapp, there are still other apps that are sending and receiving small packets of data, which you are not aware of. The networks are not responsible for this, as most of the services on an Android devices require some form of connection. You wont know unless you install an app that will monitor your data and what consumes it, much like what Glasswire does on a PC
Tabac
Honorary Master
I get the point. (I think ?) There's apps that need to run inorder for other to run. That feeds on my data. Some of those apps can't be deleted. So, without using whatsapp only, i still "loose" data because of apps running in the backround, that needs to run. Mm ?
Icemanbrfc
Honorary Master
Pretty much yes. Its small amounts though. As an example, you can disable google play services, but then nothing will work, and you wont be able to download apps, etc
Its just the way it is. Only suggestion i can give you, is to completely turn off mobile data when you dont use it. Its rather a rubbish way, but if you in a wifi area/home wifi, use that
Tabac
Honorary Master
Yep, I do that at home. "Free" WiFi. So just a thought: CellC's Pinnacle contracts, seem they are a good option compared to Vodacom's deals.
Icemanbrfc
Honorary Master
Yep.. if you can get a good data deal like the MTN ones, go for it. Bigger the bundle, the better.Yep, I do that at home. "Free" WiFi. So just a thought: CellC's Pinnacle contracts, seem they are a good option compared to Vodacom's deals.
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Turn off sync when not on wifi...
Tabac
Honorary Master
Auto-Sync data - Turned it off, just now. Tx.
supersunbird
Honorary Master
but i was at a certain conference recently Ockieand the talk was about data consumption, streaming, and the future. Unless they are prepared to have zero rated data packages for these streaming services, i cant see it happening anytime soon, or having people replace their DSL for a mobile package.
I also think that the networks need to start growing a pair, and offer a decent data bundle at a good cost. We cant have 1GB for R149. Its 2017, we should at least have 5 gigs for R149. I had a chat to somebody in the UK, and he mentioned that with a giff Gaff sim, or something like that, they get a 5GB package for around 15 pounds a month. Think that equates to around R230.
Now MTN has 50 gigs for R299 etc on contract, but why do we have to hit a 24 month contract, to make use of a good deal. If we want to move with the times, we have to realistically come up with ways to give the consumer something to be happy about on prepaid.
Telkom (MTN Roaming) prepaid data:
1GB - R99
2GB - R139
3GB - R199
5GB - R299
10GB - R499
Will everyone now rush to them?
No.
So why must VC bother dropping their prices?
Icemanbrfc
Honorary Master
it wont happen over night, but if you heard the plans for what a network wants to do, then that network will have to find packages or means to either drop prices, or hold prices but increases the cap. If they dont, then they will fail, as people will still do streaming etc via DSL or Fibre. To do what they are planning to do cannot work, unless the user has enough data, or they provide some form of zero rated data etc. Eventually the networks will come to the party, but its not happening quick enough
Randy_The_Squirrel
Banned
Disappearing data does exist:
If I had to say how it happens, the banhammer will swing. As I was banned from another platform for stating the real reason (not here)
If I had to say how it happens, the banhammer will swing. As I was banned from another platform for stating the real reason (not here)
Tabac
Honorary Master
Icemanbrfc
Honorary Master
Well let us hear it, or pm me so i can understand what you are talking about
supersunbird
Honorary Master
I even heard one guy say that expired data just gets taken and sold on to other people :crylaugh:. PM me your theory please, for interest sake.
Randy_The_Squirrel
Banned
you know what, let's put it out there. I care not a jot anymore
1. When the data bearer is open on the phone, the phone, by virtue of the way it works, will send little bits of data i.e. DNS queries, the usual stuff that is used to do housekeeping of a standard internet connection.
Since I know cellular networks have no scruples whatsoever, they are likely charging for every DNS update, and every random packet that happens to go inbound into your phone. And they are likely charging for the TCP handshaking packets too. Since phones are mobile, and the connection has to be torn down and re-established often, the net result is probably a data bill even if your throughput is 0 bytes. I would not put it past them that they are charging for GPRS attach...
The other bugger is that not all networks do this... so its hard to point a finger. For example, I know on Cell C, it is possible to get a DNS query done, and one TCP packet bi-directionally between a host and a client, without airtime. I have done it before, many times. As long as the SIM has been RICA'd and has had data on it before, even if the balances are zero, it is possible to establish a TCP socket and get one packet through, after which the network drops the connection and the socket is shut with an error (the other end will see a peer closure event).
2. I think the likely truth is, that, because of the overlap of the billing system from the core network (IN) and the necessity to change protocols from one type to another, the networks are either a) incurring accounting errors or b) just being the unscrupulous bunch they've always been, and charging for everything, because they can.
supersunbird
Honorary Master
And this will add up so that people moan about their 100s of MB disappearing in a few hours?