Diwali Fireworks

[Zenbaas]

This thread should be titled "return of the clones"

 

[RiaX]

Wait a sec. You keep referring to display shells. These are the ones intended for displays, right? Hence the name. The ones that require public display permits and permission from authorities to fire?

You only need a permit when you exceed the maximum size (3inch) and exceed the amount of black powder within the shell. Unfortunately I do not know the exact weight of black powder that is allowed.

The law give exceptions to usage of these fireworks during NYE, Guy Fawkes, Xmas and Diwali at any other day you will need special permission to discharge them yes hence why you only see their sale during diwali guy fawkes and NYE

EDIT:

oh yeah a display shell is not the same as a display. A display refers to a proper fireworks display like those done at stadiums etc

A display shell is simply a firework that launches from a battery or tube and creates an aerial effect

 

[RiaX]

You did no such thing? You told us that modern fireworks are not loud. You also apparently fail to understand how a dog's hearing works with statements like "it's just a pop", irrespective of how absurdly false that statement in and of itself is...

How does a dog's hearing work. Would you like to talk about the physiology of the ear ? do not insult the biology of the ear thinking sounds of that calibur can seriously damage it. Irritate it yes permanently damage no.

You welcome to put up stats from the past few years on animals/people that have lost their hearing FROM CORRECT firework usage on diwali

 

[LiquidCocaine]

Fireworks users are never responsible for their actions if a pet is injured or killed. Ever. Nor when a child is injured or killed.

From that FB story that family should be reported! A person using fireworks and your dog jumping into the pool is not the user's problem! Its not as simple as saying whose at fault but rather looking at the incident subjectively.

they live in a cardboard box

If their windows rattle from a firework then hell yes.

Rocket fireworks are not nuisance fireworks, even if they make a noise

You're being ambiguous with this term, a better name would be display firework or display rocket. The noise it emits is not even close to a nuisance firework.

Everyone who disagrees is racist and is the problem with this country.

Everyone that disagrees is intolerant as anyone without a bias can see it from your view point.

 

[DJ...]

I've been bad. I said I'd no longer suffer your bullschit but I have once again. You admitting your hypocrisy is there for all to see. You admitting being wrong is too. But true to form, you refuse, like a stubborn child, to accept it. You also duck simple questions until given no choice and then make up complete nonsense to still avoid answering. You then go on to call people racists, accuse them of being stupid, and declare yourself the only master of the law in this context. All of this written in the English of a teenage Eskimo.

And let's not forget you comparing people who complain, to Hitler. That was a very special low that you dragged yourself to.

This has been the very opposite of fun. I think I'll go inhale some chlorine. It's probably more enjoyable...

 

[HapticSimian]

the law is not subject to your interpretation. If they were one and the same they would not be defined separately

Oh, good lord. Of course the law is subject to interpretation! That's the whole reason why courts are presided over by people tasked with ensuring laws are applied in accordance with the spirit they were written in.

I've already suggested that you go check the meaning of 'or' in a dictionary...

then dont blame the firework

I blame the person detonating the firework.

You blame the person down the street because you didnt enclose your animal properly ? ...

Nope, I blame the person down the street for thinking he is special enough to warrant me taking abnormal steps in securing said animal.

Im not wrong. Its within the boundaries of the hindu community by law. See loaded question

I'm unsure... Was that an attempt at English?

Again responsibility of the owner of the sheep to ensure that their enclosure can house them properly and securely. Go on check it up its in the law you lot like to refer to.



he shouldve had a proper fence

We're discussing explosions loud enough to drive animals to injury in spite of reasonable containment.

Nope 2 law modules. 2 written exams and 1 oral per module. Resulting to insults now are we ? shame those also dont work in law, actually hurts your case

I've had multiple times more legal schooling than you. It's safe to say you've not a clue what you're talking about.

really? im not the one passing recommendations as an act. Again provide the regulations of the act then talk. Thats if you know what regulations are lol

News flash: municipal bylaws trump national legislation.

It is not considered a nuisance firework. Therefore by legality all subsections prohibiting fireworks defined by "nuisance" do not apply to this class of firework. Your subjective opinion again has no bearing

If it makes a noise audible for kilometres around it's a nuisance, regardless your protestations.

ah the infamous 'tablet counter'. If you think this is all a pharmacist does then its no wonder you are battling to understand the law.

Not at all. They also apparently research EVERYTHING, even if poorly, [-]drawing[/-] writing theses as they go along.

You people prevent racial and cultural cohesion among people. That is why people throw the race card at you. You are no different from people like Malema. Though you too blind to see it

Nope. People who insist on acting like ****wits under the pretence of culture and custom do that. As do the ****wits ineptly defending them.

 

[Zewp]

Gotta love how a dog that is scared of loud explosions (meaning 90% of dogs and 90% of other animals) is a poorly trained dog.

RiaX, you spend so much time talking out of your ass that pretty soon you're going to have to resort to farting through your mouth. Seriously guy, take a step back for once and look at the rubbish you type here.

 

[LiquidCocaine]

You guys need to get one of those devices they use at car sound show so you can measure and report back your definition of "loud".

 

[DJ...]

From that FB story that family should be reported! A person using fireworks and your dog jumping into the pool is not the user's problem! Its not as simple as saying whose at fault but rather looking at the incident subjectively.


If their windows rattle from a firework then hell yes.


You're being ambiguous with this term, a better name would be display firework or display rocket. The noise it emits is not even close to a nuisance firework.


Everyone that disagrees is intolerant as anyone without a bias can see it from your view point.

So after agreeing with me earlier in this thread that people should be considerate and not let off noisy fireworks, you've now decided that that was a mistake and we're back to fsckem, it's legal?

You really need to keep your story straight if you want to bullschit at RiaX levels...

 

[LiquidCocaine]

So after agreeing with me earlier in this thread that people should be considerate and not let off noisy fireworks, you've now decided that that was a mistake and we're back to fsckem, it's legal?

You really need to keep your story straight if you want to bullschit at RiaX levels...

Consideration works both ways, your definition of "noisy" is subjective.

 

[RiaX]

Oh, good lord. Of course the law is subject to interpretation

Not yours but the courts ... big difference. We are laymen we follow the law we dont interpret it.

I blame the person detonating the firework.

blame them all you want. Its their right set down by the republic of South Africa to discharge fireworks should their municipality deem it acceptable

Nope, I blame the person down the street for thinking he is special enough to warrant me taking abnormal steps in securing said animal.

Nope its not abnormal its required by law. Go look

We're discussing explosions loud enough to drive animals to injury in spite of reasonable containment.

or perhaps its a response from a lack of understanding ? animals do that they get startled. If the animal is capable of injuring itself within its containment then that is not acceptable housing.

I've had multiple times more legal schooling than you.

like what?

News flash: municipal bylaws trump national legislation.

NEWS FLASH we not arguing the about the areas where its not allowed so sorry.

If it makes a noise audible for kilometres around it's a nuisance

So do cars and bikes ...

Nope. People who insist on acting like ****wits under the pretence of culture and custom do that. As do the ****wits ineptly defending them.

so are you saying all hindus are halfwits because of their cultural practice?

Gotta love how a dog that is scared of loud explosions (meaning 90% of dogs and 90% of other animals) is a poorly trained dog.

Dont pull figures from thin air.

 

[Zenbaas]

Guys if you are so keen on feeding cookies then rather spend all that energy HERE

 

[RiaX]

You guys need to get one of those devices they use at car sound show so you can measure and report back your definition of "loud".

these people have no idea what loud is lol

 

[DJ...]

Consideration works both ways, your definition of "noisy" is subjective.

Anything with a bang. You agreed to this earlier. Your colours have now shown. You were never in agreement. You simply lacked the faculties to respond in any manner that backed your perspective. So instead of admitting fault with your logic, you simply decided to agree with me in the hope that I'd forget and you could troll the thread later. Martin Bailey thinks you just hit the booby trap...

 

[RiaX]

Anything with a bang

to anyone that knows something about fireworks this would imply a cracker.

Its impossible to have an aerial display without sound

 

[LiquidCocaine]

Anything with a bang. You agreed to this earlier. Your colours have now shown. You were never in agreement. You simply lacked the faculties to respond in any manner that backed your perspective. So instead of admitting fault with your logic, you simply decided to agree with me in the hope that I'd forget and you could troll the thread later. Martin Bailey thinks you just hit the booby trap...

Let me quote your post

If fireworks result in the injury of a person or an animal, then the person responsible for setting off the fireworks is civilly liable. If the firework itself is illegal, the person responsible is both civilly, and criminally liable.

Exactly

More importantly here, are the number of animals that through sheer desperation in their efforts to get out of a situation that they do not understand, and is often tantamount torturous for them, land up getting loose and are run over or lost. In my experience few people who celebrate Diwali actually take cognizance of the fireworks and their intended meaning. Instead it is simply an excuse to let off fireworks for the sake of it and it becomes a competition for the biggest and loudest bangs.

Nobody I know really uses fireworks as its Diwali rather cause its that time of year that they can use it. Diwali, Guy Fawkes same period.

When I was a teenager I had the same mindset. Luckily I grew up and developed an understanding of the repercussions of my actions, and subsequently put an end to my bursting of loud fireworks for the sake of it.

ok

In this case all that pet-owners and people who actually work after Diwali and Guy Fawkes are asking is that people adopt a similarly mature logic when deciding what fireworks to burst. It does not have to be loud. The light significance is in effect metaphorical in any case. No Hindu believes that his fireworks have truly warned off evil spirits for the rest of the year. So just be responsible. There are a ton of legal fireworks that don't involve bomb-like sound effects. Enjoy them, by all means. It is about the light in any case, not the sound...

Diwali was on the weekend, Guy Fawkes was during the week and as I can see from some posts no fireworks were used which you was wanting? Display rockets involve light.

 

[HapticSimian]

Not yours but the courts ... big difference. We are laymen we follow the law we dont interpret it.

You're not a layman. You're an expert. On everything. Like speed measurent.

Of course if you want to contend that following a law does not necessitate formulating an interpretation of it, best you stop offering yours.

blame them all you want. Its their right set down by the republic of South Africa to discharge fireworks should their municipality deem it acceptable

It is not a blanket exception.

Nope its not abnormal its required by law. Go look

Nope. Reasonable containment is a requirement.

or perhaps its a response from a lack of understanding ? animals do that they get startled. If the animal is capable of injuring itself within its containment then that is not acceptable housing.

Short of being drugged out its skull, or dead, an animal is capable of injuring itself. Your assertion isn't practical.

like what?

Like 3-and-a-bit years of legal study at 'varsity.

NEWS FLASH we not arguing the about the areas where its not allowed so sorry.

Who said we are?

So do cars and bikes ...

Yep, and unsilenced cars and bikes are not road legal, regardless of whether they're used for transport. Not even on Diwali.

so are you saying all hindus are halfwits because of their cultural practice?

Nope. I'm saying all people using a tradition or custom as an excuse to subject whole suburbs to pointless noise are ****wits. Even if they happen to be Hindus. Also, if they aren't.

Dont pull figures from thin air.

Wat?

 

[LiquidCocaine]

unsilenced cars and bikes are not road legal

So we get silent cars? So every car on the road is illegal?

 

[Tech786]

So we get silent cars? So every car on the road is illegal?

A Prius makes an annoying whirring noise and if it drives past you it breaks through the wind and sounds awful.
If I was a meerkat on the side of the road, I'd be pissed and call metro police at once!!
How dare it make such a noise and disturb my peace.

 

[HapticSimian]

So we get silent cars? So every car on the road is illegal?

Silencers... ever heard of 'em? You know, those things in vehicles' exhausts which keep noise levels within reasonable limits?

I know it's asking a lot, but at least try to fake some basic cognitive function.