find that thread you refering to. I dont recall saying ketones themselves do it. If I did indeed make a mistake then I must fix that information
Yeah, you did. Here's the quote:
diabetes can cause heart attacks they get a condition known as arteriosclerosis which is a hardening of the arteries , they not flexible anymore so they become stiffer and narrower and if a clot is formed it a big problem (i think they refer to the 'fat' on the inner arterial wall as plague not to sure)... this is due to the high blood sugar levels in the blood and formations of ketones its a very complex biochemical rationale and i don't intend to explain it....
Ketones do not cause hardening of the arteries. That is just a fact...
What happens to the remaining constituents of the fat ? its deposited into the arterial wall cause a hardening of the arteries.
More horsechit. The constituents of the fat don't simply lodge themselves in the arterial walls, willy nilly. High triglycerides can contribute towards arterial wall hardening but certain low density lipoproteins are the root cause of this. Again, not ketones...
Anyways ketone bodies lower the pH and cause acidosis.
True to an extent. But acidosis requires a plasma glucose concentration to be above 250 mg per dL while lower levels with elevated ketone levels is a perfectly healthy state. You're attempting to simplify this to the point that anyone reading it will draw incorrect conclusions, such as elevated ketone levels are always bad...
Your body secrets various chemicals to counter this unfortunately these same chemical inhibit the production of proteins that are responsible for elasticity.
I know of deaminase and triacylglycerol lipase enzymes released but none that I've seen that inhibit titin production, which is the protein you must be referring to. Some more info would be appreciated...
This is really above you Im not going to waste my time educating you on such complex processes.
Oh get over yourself ffs. You're not the be-all and end-all of biology. I've invested a long time in teaching myself this sort of stuff over the years so sod off with your holier-than-thou attitude...
You also get calcification as there is a degradation of bone.
That's a natural process, unless you're referring to blood pH causing further degradation of bones, in which case I can only imagine that this can only be achieved in a state of prolonged ketociadosis. In which case one would have in all likelihood died in such a prolonged state of ketociadosis in any case...
Im not about to bring the pinnacle of medical knowledge to people that dont even know basic chemistry, physiology or anatomy
You are the pinnacle of medical knowledge? And I know nothing about basic chemistry, physiology, or anatomy? Seriously now?
But okay, let's get to your ridiculous triglyceride picture then...
you still havent pointed out the ketone ....
My recollection of chemistry is admittedly a little off-base, but in the picture you've provided here, I don't see any bonds that would qualify as being in the ketone group. I do however spot a triglyceride that when broken down will trigger the release of ketones following the breakdown of the methylene and oxygen bonds to allow for the carbonyl group to be bonded to two carbon atoms. I might be wrong, but chemistry is not my strong suit. I do however enjoy learning about the body, which for the most part doesn't require a chemistry degree, and my statement about ketones not causing atherosclerosis has absolutely nothing to do with being able to spot a ketone chemical bond in a glyceride...
