do not use your cellphone while driving

[saturnz]

Upload some pics...

Thats not going to happen.

You won already, I admitted defeat. I take it you don't win graciously.

 

[DJ...]

Thats not going to happen.

You won already, I admitted defeat. I take it you don't win graciously.

Won what? I was not competing with you. Let's just see some pics of the damage to the various vehicles. Sounds now like less of a fender bender which I thought it was and more like a 3 car pile up with one vehicle so far written off. Sounds pretty damn serious. Lawyers involved now, insufficient insurance coverage, and a he said she said situation.

So let's see the damage. There are some great image specialists around here. Perhaps one of them will be able to spot the cellphone this other bloke was using when he caused the pandemonium on the freeway, and you can submit further evidence to your lawyer. It's worth a shot...

 

[Viva]

Fortunately I rarely use my cellphone in the car because firstly, its a R100 phone and secondly I generally drive cars that are faster than the average car and so I have to be extra vigilant about my surroundings.

Driving a specific car is no reason to be extra vigilant. Driving faster or more reckless than you should is plenty of reason to be extra vigilant. Also, being extra vigilant is no excuse - it does not give you permission to break the law and in no way guarantees that your high risk behaviour will not cause harm to yourself or others.

I'm sorry to say this, but this sentence you wrote makes the complete story suspect.

 

[DJ...]

Driving a specific car is no reason to be extra vigilant. Driving faster or more reckless than you should is plenty of reason to be extra vigilant. Also, being extra vigilant is no excuse - it does not give you permission to break the law and in no way guarantees that your high risk behaviour will not cause harm to yourself or others.

I'm sorry to say this, but this sentence you wrote makes the complete story suspect.

So you're telling me that there is no law in SA that states that if my vehicle has more horsepower than your vehicle, I am automatically absolved of responsibility for any accident? Well I'll be damned...

 

[Splinter]

It is my experienced view that the car will be written off, the rear has a huge chunk in, the front a huge chunk in. The repair will be atleast 25k from just looking at the labour from a normal spray and the parts that require replacing- and thats just the cosmetic parts including the front and rear bumper, bonnet, fender, rear passenger skin.

I'm under no illusion that the book value of this car is not even close to 30k, I wouldn't be surprised if it was under 20k, so there is a very strong chance it will be written off. Its not only my view the car will be written off, others have seen the damage.

By the way where my cars are stored, that workshop's main income is from insurance work, the owner of that workshop came to see the car and its also his view the car will be written off, this is a guy that works with assessors on a daily basis.

You want to get lawyers involved with a car that is not worth much more than R30k? That would be silly.

 

[saturnz]

perhaps a moderator will see this and replace my original post (and delete all subsequent posts) with

"do not drive with your cellphone or do anything unreasonable without looking at the road for five seconds

I was knocked in the rear by a guy who said he didn't see me because I cut infront of him without indiciating. I wasn't sure whether he was right so I referred to the video footage when I got home and it seems in my humble view that I was infront of his car for atleast five seconds, which suggests he wasn't looking at the road for five seconds. Nevertheless its a minor fender and could have been a lot worse, so I should be grateful."

or anything else that DJ... would agree with to the extent that he wouldn't bother trolling my thread.

 

[Viva]

So you're telling me that there is no law in SA that states that if my vehicle has more horsepower than your vehicle, I am automatically absolved of responsibility for any accident? Well I'll be damned...

 

[DJ...]

You want to get lawyers involved with a car that is not worth much more than R30k? That would be silly.

That's the other bloke's car. Saturnz only drives multi million Rand vehicles. Like his Opel. He has a rather creative methodology for valuing cars...

 

[Splinter]

Thats not going to happen.

You won already, I admitted defeat. I take it you don't win graciously.

There is nothing about this that is about winning. Honestly, the more you post, the more I think you know you were the guilty party.

 

[saturnz]

You want to get lawyers involved with a car that is not worth much more than R30k? That would be silly.

*sigh*

I repeat, are you saying I must just walk away and deal with the insurance company myself?

At this point I am meeting with the lawyer, we haven't discussed costs, I just have an appointment. On Monday I will tell him what happened and show him the footage and ask his opinion, if he wants to charge me for that no problem, if he doesn't no problem.

But are you saying that I shouldn't go there, but rather rely on you people, the honourable members of Mybroadband, to give me free and objective advise because your hearts are in the right place?

 

[Splinter]

That's the other bloke's car. Saturnz only drives multi million Rand vehicles. Like his Opel. He has a rather creative methodology for valuing cars...

Ag, it's all just odd. I have been the victim of being rear ended before - and got nowhere with insurance claiming the excess back from the dumb toot. But to have a dash camera and refusing to share it - just strikes me as a bit of guilty bitching.

 

[HavocXphere]

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jeez...go fight with the other party/insurance already...rather than writing mybb essays.

 

[saturnz]

There is nothing about this that is about winning. Honestly, the more you post, the more I think you know you were the guilty party.

yeah dude its my fault, I'll give the guy a call and tell him its cool

 

[Quantum Theory]

So, does your dash cam have a rear facing camera? Vital info... How do you know this guy was on his phone or texting or something? Also, If someone says I changed lanes without indicating, I would tell him BS. I always do. The fact that you weren't sure, is another very concerning piece of this puzzle.

 

[saturnz]

So, does your dash cam have a rear facing camera? Vital info... How do you know this guy was on his phone or texting or something? Also, If someone says I changed lanes without indicating, I would tell him BS. I always do. The fact that you weren't sure, is another very concerning piece of this puzzle.

okay I concede, no dashcam facing backwards, I don't know what he was doing, it may have been reasonable.

what I do know, is that I was in the same lane he was in for atleast five seconds, if I understand things correctly, I could be wrong, but that would mean I would have been infront of him for atleast five seconds, especially given the circumstances.

what I find puzzling and which you fail to appreciate, how did he know I was not indicating when he said he didn't see my car for a full five seconds. I will try to rephrase incase you didn't get that, even if I didn't indicate at time zero, he had five seconds thereafter to react to what I did.

I concede I am telling you that the video footage goes for five seconds, but you either believe me or you don't and I guess you don't, but thats not important now is it?

 

[Splinter]

*sigh*

I repeat, are you saying I must just walk away and deal with the insurance company myself?

At this point I am meeting with the lawyer, we haven't discussed costs, I just have an appointment. On Monday I will tell him what happened and show him the footage and ask his opinion, if he wants to charge me for that no problem, if he doesn't no problem.

But are you saying that I shouldn't go there, but rather rely on you people, the honourable members of Mybroadband, to give me free and objective advise because your hearts are in the right place?

I always deal with my insurance company myself. But, what am I now reading into this, is that the other motorist is actually taking you to court or claiming from you. Honestly, I'm guessing you were driving like a mad-man; ducked in front of another car and he rear ended you because he had no idea any car would be in front of him.

 

[Splinter]

okay I concede, no dashcam facing backwards, I don't know what he was doing, it may have been reasonable.

what I do know, is that I was in the same lane he was in for atleast five seconds, if I understand things correctly, I could be wrong, but that would mean I would have been infront of him for atleast five seconds, especially given the circumstances.

what I find puzzling and which you fail to appreciate, how did he know I was not indicating when he said he didn't see my car for a full five seconds. I will try to rephrase incase you didn't get that, even if I didn't indicate in the first second, he had four seconds to react to what I did.

I concede I am telling you that the video footage goes for five seconds, but you either believe me or you don't and I guess you don't, but thats not important now is it?

Once again - post the footage or your claims are invalid.

 

[07_10]

Entertaining read. Would read again.

 

[saturnz]

I always deal with my insurance company myself. But, what am I now reading into this, is that the other motorist is actually taking you to court or claiming from you. Honestly, I'm guessing you were driving like a mad-man; ducked in front of another car and he rear ended you because he had no idea any car would be in front of him.

nah lets go with that explanation, its more fun

I'll concede my claims are invalid.

Moderators can use their discression here as to whether the thread warrants deleting, I was wrong to make the original post.

 

[HavocXphere]

you either believe me or you don't

For your sake I hope you never stand in front of a judge...

How did this go from

My dash cam footage shows that I am driving for atleast five seconds infront of the guy who rear ended me.

to this

okay I concede, no dashcam facing backwards, I don't know what he was doing

I mean...wow...legal defense wise thats a spectacular crash & burn even under cursory mybb's random questions...