do not use your cellphone while driving

[Quantum Theory]

okay I concede, no dashcam facing backwards, I don't know what he was doing, it may have been reasonable.

what I do know, is that I was in the same lane he was in for atleast five seconds, if I understand things correctly, I could be wrong, but that would mean I would have been infront of him for atleast five seconds, especially given the circumstances.

what I find puzzling and which you fail to appreciate, how did he know I was not indicating when he said he didn't see my car for a full five seconds. I will try to rephrase incase you didn't get that, even if I didn't indicate at time zero, he had five seconds thereafter to react to what I did.

I concede I am telling you that the video footage goes for five seconds, but you either believe me or you don't and I guess you don't, but thats not important now is it?

So, does your dash cam have a mic? Can your indicator be heard? Also, what speed were you travelling at?

 

[saturnz]

I mean...wow...legal defense wise that a spectacular crash & burn even under cursory mybb's random questions...

I'm not in the mood to entertain people at my expense to such an extent. With all respect the views that will come out of any footage I show will be biased, as DJ... already conceded, so why rely on any comments here.

If you feel I was wrong and I'm lying, so be it, whatever, but I don't feel I need to prove anything to you.

And by the way, I was in a position where I had to proof my innocence. I walked out of Woolworths having just purchased a cake. I took the longest possible route out of Woolworths because thats the quickest way to my flat. I was stopped by the security and asked to produce a proof of purchase. I refused to do so and the in store manager asked me the same thing, I was man handled and the CCID intervened and took their side. I did nothing wrong, yet I was in a position where I had to prove my innocence.

So yeah I repeat, if you feel I did something wrong, then so be it, I gave you my version of the events, I don't have to go further than that, if you don't believe me thats fine by me. Can you understand that?

 

[Splinter]

nah lets go with that explanation, its more fun

I'll concede my claims are invalid.

Moderators can use their discression here as to whether the thread warrants deleting, I was wrong to make the original post.

It's not about fun - it's about accuracy. By the way, you going to a lawyer is one thing; you posting about having footage of the incident is a bit silly. Seeing as it will obviously prove you were in the wrong.

 

[DJ...]

So do you intend to tell the lawyer that the other bloke was using his cellphone at the time of the accident?

 

[Quantum Theory]

I'm not in the mood to entertain people at my expense to such an extent. With all respect the views that will come out of any footage I show will be biased, as DJ... already conceded, so why rely on any comments here.

If you feel I was wrong and I'm lying, so be it, whatever, but I don't feel I need to prove anything to you.

And by the way, I was in a position where I had to proof my innocence. I walked out of Woolworths having just purchased a cake. I took the longest possible route out of Woolworths because thats the quickest way to my flat. I was stopped by the security and asked to produce a proof of purchase. I refused to do so and the in store manager asked me the same thing, I was man handled and the CCID intervened and took their side. I did nothing wrong, yet I was in a position where I had to prove my innocence.

So yeah I repeat, if you feel I did something wrong, then so be it, I gave you my version of the events, I don't have to go further than that, if you don't believe me thats fine by me. Can you understand that?

This post takes the cake... Ba Dum Tss!

 

[saturnz]

So do you intend to tell the lawyer that the other bloke was using his cellphone at the time of the accident?

I will tell him that in my opinion I think he was using his cellphone or at the very least, distracted by something for atleast five seconds, as the video footage will show.

I'm guessing the lawyer will either disagree or agree, but whatever he says I will respect. He may either elect to charge me or not, business is business.

If the video footage shows I was in the wrong, he will tell me, and I will respect that, end of story, I'm happy, I will come here and let you guys know. In saying that, I would like to think of myself as pretty reasonable and I try to be objective, even if it may not seem that way here, but I've looked at the footage many times and I tried to put myself in that guy's seat, and I can't think of anything reasonable that he could have been doing to have knocked me in such a manner. If he has a reasonable explanation I will accept it, but I don't think "I didn't see you because you cut in without indicating" at this point is very reasonable.

If we can agree to that, I will consider letting you know of the outcome of the meeting, but I don't think I have to show anybody here pics and videos, nothing constructive will come from it, not for me atleast.

 

[DJ...]

Fair enough. Personally I don't think you're being nearly as objective as you think you are being, but that's perhaps somewhat understandable. I also don't think a chat with a lawyer will solve anything at all. You have no valid reason to believe the guy was on his cellphone. And your dashcam will show nothing of relevance considering it faces forwards, although rear ending someone is in the eyes of an insurer 99% the fault of the driver of the vehicle doing the rear ending. I'm leaning towards you both being in the wrong here, but in all likelihood the claim going to you from his insurance, unless you were driving recklessly.

If you don't want to post pics, post the video, defend your accusations, or defend your own position, then perhaps think twice about posting in a public forum. Oh, and try to look on the bright side of life for a change. Not all references to the Opel are trolling. I honestly thought it would bring a laugh to you in a time where in my experience, people need to be laughing. Stop looking for reasons to get pissed off...

 

[saturnz]

Fair enough. Personally I don't think you're being nearly as objective as you think you are being, but that's perhaps somewhat understandable. I also don't think a chat with a lawyer will solve anything at all. You have no valid reason to believe the guy was on his cellphone. And your dashcam will show nothing of relevance considering it faces forwards, although rear ending someone is in the eyes of an insurer 99% the fault of the driver of the vehicle doing the rear ending. I'm leaning towards you both being in the wrong here, but in all likelihood the claim going to you from his insurance, unless you were driving recklessly.

If you don't want to post pics, post the video, defend your accusations, or defend your own position, then perhaps think twice about posting in a public forum. Oh, and try to look on the bright side of life for a change. Not all references to the Opel are trolling. I honestly thought it would bring a laugh to you in a time where in my experience, people need to be laughing. Stop looking for reasons to get pissed off...

The dashcam will show, I was in his lane infront of him for atleast five seconds. Now you either believe me or you don't, but lets assume you do for the purposes of this point. While I was infront of him for that period he states that he did not see my car but at the time of me crossing into his lane he noted that I didn't use my indicator.

What conclusion can you draw from that information?

If my speed is an issue, I was in third gear out of boost, so doing under 2000rpm which I think was around 60km when I turned into his lane. I then proceeded to drive for another five seconds slowing down to a complete halt, he then knocked into me. You either believe that, or you don't.

 

[saturnz]

if you are looking for a funny anecdote besides my pound of cake incident

I was on my way to buy a toaster when this happened.

I have the toaster here, but no bread, and the pain just kicked in, and I need to eat something to take the tablets apparently.

That made me smile atleast.

 

[HavocXphere]

If you feel I was wrong and I'm lying, so be it, whatever, but I don't feel I need to prove anything to you.

I have no idea who was at fault - nor do I particularly care. I'm just a little perplexed...

You've publicly torched any kind of legal position here...
You're not looking for a shoulder to cry on...
You're clearly not looking for advice since you're arguing against all & sundry...
You said you don't care about the cost...

I'd venture that the responses you're getting are not to your liking because nobody here can work out where you're going with this & everyone is layering their own random opinions on top of it given this lack of direction. The result is rather predictable chaos.

 

[saturnz]

I have no idea who was at fault - nor do I particularly care. I'm just a little perplexed...

You've publicly torched any kind of legal position here...
You're not looking for a shoulder to cry on...
You're clearly not looking for advice since you're arguing against all & sundry...
You said you don't care about the cost...

I'd venture that the responses you're getting are not to your liking because nobody here can work out where you're going with this & everyone is layering their own random opinions on top of it given this lack of direction. The result is rather predictable chaos.

so because people here ask for pics and videos, I must post it and if I don't then the only logical conclusion is that I'm in the wrong? What do you reasonably think will happen when I do post the videos, do you think I will get constructive feedback given that DJ... already stated that comments here are generally informed by other threads, and we all know what happens in other threads and this one.

As you said, heres predictable chaos, I can deal with that, its all fun and games, but I refuse to post pics and videos, I don't think it will result in less chaos, if you disagree then lets agree to disagree.

 

[HavocXphere]

so because people here ask for pics and videos, I must post it

Whats with you constantly putting words in people's mouths? I haven't even mentioned videos or pics let alone their posting? Why are you responding to me with what you "must" post?

I kinda ignore your previous blatant attempt at this:

If you feel I was wrong and I'm lying, so be it

I've not accused you of lying...I simply pointed out that that inconsistent narrative won't hold in court. You mentioned bringing in lawyers in your 2nd post so I figure perhaps that type of info is of use to you.

I'm in the wrong?

As I just said in my post - I have no idea who is at fault. Nor do I feel like judging either way based on the available info.

The only thing I'm confident about is that you seem unsure yourself as to what you want from this thread. Thats not intended as criticism - I'd be rattled too in your situation - more statement of (perceived) fact. It just brings me back to the question as to what you aim to achieve with this thread (if anything)? Until you work that out in your own mind this thread will continue in its chaotic state (actually the thread is a write-off anyway...but you get my point...)

(And no I don't think you should post any videos/pics)

 

[saturnz]

Whats with you constantly putting words in people's mouths? I haven't even mentioned videos or pics let alone their posting? Why are you responding to me with what you "must" post?

I kinda ignore your previous blatant attempt at this:

I've not accused you of lying...I simply pointed out that that inconsistent narrative won't hold in court. You mentioned bringing in lawyers in your 2nd post so I figure perhaps that type of info is of use to you.


As I just said in my post - I have no idea who is at fault. Nor do I feel like judging either way based on the available info.

The only thing I'm confident about is that you seem unsure yourself as to what you want from this thread. Thats not intended as criticism - I'd be rattled too in your situation - more statement of (perceived) fact. It just brings me back to the question as to what you aim to achieve with this thread (if anything)? Until you work that out in your own mind this thread will continue in its chaotic state (actually the thread is a write-off anyway...but you get my point...)

(And no I don't think you should post any videos/pics)

I suppose there will always be misunderstandings here and maybe we speaking past each (or maybe just me)

The only reason why there is misunderstandings (not with I don't think) in this thread is because I haven't posted the video and pics. People in this thread (I'm not saying you per se and yes its just one person maybe two) have asked me to post it so they can objectively scrutinise it. I do not believe that to be the case and I responded to the initial request that I will show it to a lawyer who I feel would be more objective, then this thread came to this point basically about the issue about lawyers, what I'm going to tell the lawyer etc

And because I didnt post the video and pics, another user then suggests I was speeding and driving recklessly, another then suggests if I don't post the video I'm guilty of something, and there it goes and here it goes and I'm expected to keep up to track with what everyone is saying, even though I'm in pain and just doing stuff to distract myself because I can't sleep. And every one of my words is interpreted with the intent of proving otherwise to show I'm lying or something. Thats how I feel, I may be wrong but if I offend whatever.

and by the way, I actually timed exactly how much time I was infront of that other car, its actually 16 seconds and not five seconds. Think about that.

I was 16 seconds infront of him, he says he didn't see me cut infront of him because I didn't indicate. What do you do for 16 seconds that you are unable to see the person infront of you, irrespective of whether he indicated or not.

 

[HavocXphere]

I may be wrong but if I offend whatever.

You miss my point.

You want to go to court - do that.
You want to fight with DJ - do that.
You want a shoulder to cry on - do that.
[+100 scenarios of what you could do - none of which are of use until you decide what you want]

Ignoring that line of thought for a second:

I'm in pain and just doing stuff to distract myself because I can't sleep

There we go - genuine content. Sucks being in pain - unfortunately I know from 1st hand experience (incl the not being able to sleep part).

every one of my words is interpreted with the intent of proving otherwise to show I'm lying or something

Forum discussions run along similar rules as my signature - don't take it too seriously despite the tone.

 

[saturnz]

I don't want to go to court, where did I say that. I said I'm seeing a lawyer, thats it.

I don't want to fight with DJ..., I think I tried to concede to all the points he objected to. All that I said in response to his baits was that he was trolling and then denying it and trying to shift accountability for his actions to me.

I don't want a shoulder to cry on... I just thought I relate what happens when people do stupid stuff on the road, I may have expressed myself incorrectly but this happened and I thought I share it, but instead I was interrogated and expected once again to prove what I say.

Forum discussions go along similiar lines yes, but people are basically saying I'm lying and the only way to prove otherwise is to post the pics and videos. My response to that is simple, I refuse to post the pics and vids and as a result if you believe what I say is false then so be it.

 

[HavocXphere]

I don't want to go to court, where did I say that. I said I'm seeing a lawyer, thats it.

I don't want to fight with DJ..., I think I tried to concede to all the points he objected to. All that I said in response to his baits was that he was trolling and then denying it and trying to shift accountability for his actions to me.

I don't want a shoulder to cry on... I just thought I relate what happens when people do stupid stuff on the road, I may have expressed myself incorrectly but this happened and I thought I share it, but instead I was interrogated and expected once again to prove what I say.

Right...so thats 3 things you *don't* want to do - which by process of elimination moves us a little closer to what you do want to do. (Which frankly is still a mystery to me)

Forum discussions go along similiar lines yes, but people are basically saying I'm lying and the only way to prove otherwise is to post the pics and videos. My response to that is simple, I refuse to post the pics and vids and as a result if you believe what I say is false then so be it.

Dude if I create a thread saying the sun is yellow I'll have 5 people telling me the sun is white (true) and another 3 saying I'm misinterpreting the concept of "Sun". The other 23 posts will be about this weeks lotto numbers because somehow my Sun thread got derailed...

...such is forum life.

 

[saturnz]

Right...so thats 3 things you *don't* want to do - which by process of elimination moves us a little closer to what you do want to do. (Which frankly is still a mystery to me)

I don't know what I want to do, I just relayed my experience in terms of how I interpreted it.

I don't attach importance to my views and opinions on things which I do not consider myself an expert on, which is probably to a certain extent why I was so ready to concede many of the counter points raised here.

Nevertheless, when I got home I contacted the lawyer and told him I was knocked and that I wanted a clarification of my position, we agreed to meet Monday. I will go to him and provide him with the footage, explain to him what I think unfolded and so on and then as he always does he will ask sharp questions and from that he will give me advice which I may or may not elect to take up. If he charges me for it so be it, its one consultation and afterall, it is his office hours.

I keep watching this clip, 16 seconds I was infront of him and he didn't see me.

 

[DJ...]

Still with the accusations of trolling?! Ai, this is a complete waste engaging with you decently. You reap what you sow henceforth...

 

[HavocXphere]

Well sounds like you have things under control on the real-life side...

...just be sure to declare your intent more openly on the forum side in future.

The fact that you've got 3rd party only (if memory serves - didn't go back to confirm) limits your options significantly in terms of fighting teh evil-doers as it were.

 

[saturnz]

Well sounds like you have things under control on the real-life side...

...just be sure to declare your intent more openly on the forum side in future.

The fact that you've got 3rd party only (if memory serves - didn't go back to confirm) limits your options significantly in terms of fighting teh evil-doers as it were.

In terms of insurance, as I stated before, if I had comprehensive insurance the insurance company would pay me book value for my car and take possession of it. I would get double the money from selling the car in parts myself.

I understood and accepted the risk that if I were to drive into someone and it was my fault, that the car would be lost and that I would be covered in terms of whoever I knocked. Also I understood that if someone were to knock into me I would have recourse even if it meant having to get a lawyer.