Do we need a harder lockdown?

Do we need a harder lockdown?

  • Yes Level 5

    Votes: 88 15.9%

  • Yes Level 4

    Votes: 62 11.2%

  • Give Level 3 a chance

    Votes: 158 28.5%

  • Downgrade to Level 2

    Votes: 21 3.8%

  • Downgrade to Level 1

    Votes: 30 5.4%

  • End lockdown

    Votes: 187 33.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 9 1.6%
  • Total voters
    555
And the stats are totally mismanaged, Add more then 6 months deaths to one day now we have suddenly a record death toll. People with 30% pass rate playing around with stats. I hardly believe any of theses stats. If you look carefully you will see the infection positive rate stays now more or less at 30%. So if I test a 1000 per day I will get 300 positive and if I test 10000, i will get 3000 positive, but is not an increase. But then there is also the real I know already of about 20 people that went shortly after a positive test for a retest and then they were suddenly negative. I do not say the virus is a scam, all i said I do not believe this government with their figures.
 
Red Plumstead said:
And the stats are totally mismanaged, Add more then 6 months deaths to one day now we have suddenly a record death toll. People with 30% pass rate playing around with stats. I hardly believe any of theses stats. If you look carefully you will see the infection positive rate stays now more or less at 30%. So if I test a 1000 per day I will get 300 positive and if I test 10000, i will get 3000 positive, but is not an increase. But then there is also the real I know already of about 20 people that went shortly after a positive test for a retest and then they were suddenly negative. I do not say the virus is a scam, all i said I do not believe this government with their figures.
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Yesterday, the department of health stats released noted around 3300 covid admissions in hospitals in GP. A news24 article from June 2020 (quoting GP MEC for health) noted that GP has just over 10 000 dedicated covid beds (a mix of quarantine and ICU/High care covid specific beds - much like the mix of those hopsitalised) - why are we at panic level 13.5/10?
 
pinball wizard said:
Yesterday, the department of health stats released noted around 3300 covid admissions in hospitals in GP. A news24 article from June 2020 (quoting GP MEC for health) noted that GP has just over 10 000 dedicated covid beds (a mix of quarantine and ICU/High care covid specific beds - much like the mix of those hopsitalised) - why are we at panic level 13.5/10?
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They got rid of a few of the makeshift hospitals that they had in June. So it's possible it's no longer 10k beds.
 
Lupus said:
They got rid of a few of the makeshift hospitals that they had in June. So it's possible it's no longer 10k beds.
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Look, I figured as much. My question is why? The initial crackdown was to prepare for this current and inevitable upsurge, was it not? What the actual **** happened?
 
pinball wizard said:
Look, I figured as much. My question is why? The initial crackdown was to prepare for this current and inevitable upsurge, was it not? What the actual **** happened?
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This happened:
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pinball wizard said:
Look, I figured as much. My question is why? The initial crackdown was to prepare for this current and inevitable upsurge, was it not? What the actual **** happened?
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Well the initial scary phase didn't happen and the hospitals remained empty. Even though everyone kept saying the second wave will be harsher, world wide mind you. Governments around the world were like oh man how bad can the second wave really be? We've nailed this and closed their makeshift hospitals. So with that smarts they did so and then the second wave happened, and everyone was like but the hospitals they are filling up.
Now the world has no money cause you see people working create taxes, which goes to things like hospitals and such, so now we're in a bit of a pickle.
 
pinball wizard said:
Look, I figured as much. My question is why? The initial crackdown was to prepare for this current and inevitable upsurge, was it not? What the actual **** happened?
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These field hospitals need to be paid for... what with is the question since the money for that has been looted.
 
Affieplaas said:
I also think that they should temporarily close the borders. The tens of thousands of "brothers and sisters" (as the EFF so eloquently put it) can spend some more time in their respective neighbouring countries and the few tourists that will still venture into SA after hearing about the "SA strain" can go and holiday in Mexico.
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Why close the borders? Our cases are high enough that more people of the people leaving are likely to have the virus than the ones arriving, which tend to be good for our active cases...

Summary: Borders need to close when local cases are low. When they are high it doesn't help...
 
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Lupus said:
Also doesn't always end up the way people think. Natural immunity can be built up, but the safest way is via vaccines.
As if we had to rely on herd immunity for other diseases we'd all have been immune to smallpox, polio, measles and such. Yet we're not, the only reason it's under control are thanks to us intervening and creating a vaccine to build herd immunity, there was no natural immunity to them.
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Exactly why anyone thinks that herd immunity was ever a strategy to pursue. The media and possibly a few idiot politicians might talk this way and think that is what they are doing.
 
Kola_CT said:
These field hospitals need to be paid for... what with is the question since the money for that has been looted.
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A bunch of empty beds in an empty and unused exhibition hall (I'm talking Nasrec here) - how much could that really have cost to keep ticking over until it was needed?
 
Geoff.D said:
Exactly why anyone thinks that herd immunity was ever a strategy to pursue. The media and possibly a few idiot politicians might talk this way and think that is what they are doing.
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It isn't/never was a strategy. It's an inevitable outcome, whether achieved by mass infections or mass vaccinations.
 
pinball wizard said:
A bunch of empty beds in an empty and unused exhibition hall (I'm talking Nasrec here) - how much could that really have cost to keep ticking over until it was needed?
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In ANC currency? Like billions, remember they pay 200k for brooms.
 
Lupus said:
Well the initial scary phase didn't happen and the hospitals remained empty. Even though everyone kept saying the second wave will be harsher, world wide mind you. Governments around the world were like oh man how bad can the second wave really be? We've nailed this and closed their makeshift hospitals. So with that smarts they did so and then the second wave happened, and everyone was like but the hospitals they are filling up.
Now the world has no money cause you see people working create taxes, which goes to things like hospitals and such, so now we're in a bit of a pickle.
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Wait...the hospitals were empty??
The ANC said that it banned alcohol and cigarettes because hospitals were overflowing!
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Alcohol and cigarette ban in South Africa remains

South Africans are still not allowed to purchase alcohol or cigarettes during the national lockdown.
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LCBXX said:
Wait...the hospitals were empty??
The ANC said that it banned alcohol and cigarettes because hospitals were overflowing!
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Alcohol and cigarette ban in South Africa remains

South Africans are still not allowed to purchase alcohol or cigarettes during the national lockdown.
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The ones setup for COVID were yeah, the first wave around the world was more of a first ripple. People panicked at the wrong time. Then again the media is to blame as well.
 
Lupus said:
The ones setup for COVID were yeah, the first wave around the world was more of a first ripple. People panicked at the wrong time. Then again the media is to blame as well.
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But this time the ANC and the MSM will do things right, right?
 
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