Do you believe aliens exist?

Do you believe aliens exist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 215 81.1%

  • No

    Votes: 50 18.9%
  • Total voters
    265
I think those "stats" propose that there is a probability that there might be some possible evidence to support the speculation that there might be alien life somewhere in the universe.
 
saor said:
Ffs.
Can you just show use these stats already.
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1:infinity


That's the ratio for the possibility to find live on other planets/moons/stars/asteroids/meteorites/whatever.
 
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RedViking said:
It's brilliant. Not edited. Do some research on it and how it is translated. One of the most accurate historical documents.
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It was written hundreds (if not thousands) of years after the stories it details supposedly happened, would you really consider something passed by word of mouth for all that time to be an accurate historical document?
 
rietrot said:
1:infinity
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Douglas Adams if far more entertaining than you...

“It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.”
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rietrot said:
1:infinity


That's the ratio for the possibility to find live on other planets/moons/stars/asteroids/meteorites/whatever.
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You tell us we don't understand stats.
I ask for some more info.
That's your answer?

By that logic the answer should be 0:infinity.
But it's not, there's an exception: life on earth.

So why does your ratio assume a value of 1? That's just making up a ratio to support your claim that the stats work in your favour. You still haven't pointed to any statistical work being done to arrive at your position. So please - explain the detailed statistics to us.
 
Cray said:
Douglas Adams if far more entertaining than you...
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That's quite good. But not 100% accurate as we just happen to be in the very small space were there isn't Zero live by the sheer dumb luck that we are alive. If it wasn't for that we won't be having this conversation.
 
saor said:
You tell us we don't understand stats.
I ask for some more info.
That's your answer?

By that logic the answer should be 0:infinity.
But it's not, there's an exception: life on earth.

So why does your ratio assume a value of 1? That's just making up a ratio to support your claim that the stats work in your favour. You still haven't pointed to any statistical work being done to arrive at your position. So please - explain the detailed statistics to us.
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We only have scientific evidence for 1(and we don't really know how that happened, just that it did) and an infinite amount of space. The idea that you would suggest 0 means you don't really understand the conversation.
 
rietrot said:
The idea that you would suggest 0 means you don't really understand the conversation.
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Well I've asked you for the statistics about 5 times now and you still haven't given them so yes - I have no idea what you're talking about.

Anyway.
The reason for suggesting a ratio of 0:infinity is that it seems more likely that nothing exists.
Yet something does exist.

So given that the ratio isn't 0:infinity, and given that the universe is a potentially infinite space - how do you arrive at your position of 1:infinity? That ratio is completely meaningless given that we have no idea how likely it is for life to occur multiple times in a potentially infinite space. You've just made up a ratio. That isn't stats, that's thumbsucking.
 
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rietrot said:
Wrong. That's only the case if you know nothing about statistics or life.
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As per below. Please show these stats we know nothing about. Consider it you blessing us with knowledge.

saor said:
Ffs.
Can you just show use these stats already.
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Maybe these stats are shown as often as we have seen god itself?
 
SkippyRamirez said:
I think those "stats" propose that there is a probability that there might be some possible evidence to support the speculation that there might be alien life somewhere in the universe.
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The mere fact that we are here having this discussion is evidence to support that life exists in the universe. No need for possibles, speculations and probabilities.
 
Temujin said:
The mere fact that we are here having this discussion is evidence to support that life exists in the universe. No need for possibles, speculations and probabilities.
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Exactly this.
 
saor said:
Well I've asked you for the statistics about 5 times now and you still haven't given them so yes - I have no idea what you're talking about.

Anyway.
The reason for suggesting a ratio of 0:infinity is that it seems more likely that nothing exists.
Yet something does exist.

So given that the ratio isn't 0:infinity, and given that the universe is a potentially infinite space - how do you arrive at your position of 1:infinity? That ratio is completely meaningless given that we have no idea how likely it is for life to occur multiple times in a potentially infinite space. You've just made up a ratio. That isn't stats, that's thumbsucking.
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The probability of life in the universe is 1:infinity. That is the stats. And I've explained the logic behind it
It isn't made up we have one example of life so that is the 1.

You are the one trying to make up and thumbsuck aliens into existence.
 
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rietrot said:
The probably of life in the universe is 1:infinity. That is the stats. And I've explained the logic behind it
It isn't made up we have one example of life so that is the 1.
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1.) You haven't explained anything.
2.) An example of life (1) doesn't amount to a ratio that has universal reach.

I have a box of 100 marbles: 99 green and 1 blue.

The only way I can make claims about probabilities or ratios of blue to green marbles is to know or extrapolate the total quantity (blue and green) or marbles. The knowledge or extrapolation comes first, which provides the ratio. You can't start with a ratio. We don't know the total quantity (how much life is out there), we only know what exists in our little corner of space. Without such knowledge we cannot even extrapolate the potential numbers, and without those numbers we cannot arrive at a ratio such that you seem to have arrived at.

The only ratio you can claim has any substance is:
1:Our little corner of space that we know about.

You are the one trying to make up and thumbsuck aliens into existence.
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1.) I don't know if aliens exist.
2.) I think it's likely that if life arose once it's probably a feature of the universe that can occur elsewhere in infinity.
3.) I have an issue with your use of stats and ratios, not with your view that aliens don't exist.
 
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