Do you own a firearm?

Do you own a firearm?

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 25.5%

  • No

    Votes: 133 41.3%

  • No, but I am looking into it

    Votes: 90 28.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 17 5.3%
  • Total voters
    322
wingnut771 said:
They equals competency test and I have no fukken idea hence the kak question.
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Exactly... a competency certificate is what you apply for at your local police station, proficiency training is what you do before applying for your competency certificate at SAPS, proficiency training is a theoretical examination and practical examination which you undergo through a registered service provider.
 
I had one and then it got stolen, the saps recovered it and went missing.
 
wingnut771 said:
How do we go about reversing the woke gfsa laws that were created?
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Get involved and up to date on what's happening, spread the word so to speak get into the discussions etc.

As for a starting point, I'll suggest register on the GunSite SA Forum and go through this specific thread.

How to Fight Gun Control

GunSite South Africa - South Africas Firearm, Tactical & Hunting Discussion Forums
www.gunsite.co.za
 
Brian_G said:
Nope

Actually had an interesting mixed example a few years back - some guys trying to force open one of our security gates in the early hours.
I shouted at them that I was fetching my gun, and they walked calmly off the property.

That was fine. But if they had got inside it would have been different. Many abusers just want to take the money and run, only a few are determined to kill anyway.
And I don't have a family to protect..
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They were probably not armed, an were opportunists, not "hardened" criminals.

You mention in certain neighbourhoods only, not sure where you live but I can tell you it's happening in all the neighbourhoods, are you part of your Neighbourhood watch / CPF groups?

In the extremely affluent areas they might not invade your premises, but they will follow you home or ambush you in your driveway, in order to abduct you either to have your family pay ransom or have you withdraw as much money as you can.

There's many examples whereby people were unarmed and surrendered, and
still were murdered, injured, tortured, abducted, sexually assaulted etc.

To surrender or comply with an armed attacker does NOT guarantee your life or safety, it's a coin flip and it's impossible to determine what the attacker will do, this is not only true in South Africa but globally.
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
They were probably not armed, an were opportunists, not "hardened" criminals.

You mention in certain neighbourhoods only, not sure where you live but I can tell you it's happening in all the neighbourhoods, are you part of your Neighbourhood watch / CPF groups?

In the extremely affluent areas they might not invade your premises, but they will follow you home or ambush you in your driveway, in order to abduct you either to have your family pay ransom or have you withdraw as much money as you can.

There's many examples whereby people were unarmed and surrendered, and
still were murdered, injured, tortured, abducted, sexually assaulted etc.

To surrender or comply with an armed attacker does NOT guarantee your life or safety, it's a coin flip and it's impossible to determine what the attacker will do, this is not only true in South Africa but globally.
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Yep, I'll take my chances with a gun rather that without one...
I also dont let my brothers know I am armed when I catch them skulking around the back of my place...
Thats a surprise for later...
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
You mention in certain neighbourhoods only, not sure where you live but I can tell you it's happening in all the neighbourhoods, are you part of your Neighbourhood watch / CPF groups?
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I'll just stick with the actual data for the city and province in which I live.
 
The murder rate per 100,000 is currently higher than it was prior to the 90s, but from 2010 to 2020 it was around the same level as was typical in South Africa from 1965 to 1980. So the question is did you all feel perfectly safe over those ten years compared to how allegedly totally safe South Africa was before 1990?
 
noxibox said:
I'll just stick with the actual data for the city and province in which I live.
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That's all good and well, but what if you travel?
Obviously your city and province still has a crime rate, so that's the entire point.
Also keep in mind if you are solely relying on official government/ SAPS data so to speak, the neighbourhood watch groups/ CPF groups do not report all the incidents to their local police station, as for attempted theft, attempted hijacking, atrempted house robbery etc.

Another problem is a lot of the data and statistics doesn't get reported, and how reliable is the stats and data from the SAPS ?
I'm really not sure what you are trying to advocate here ?
 
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noxibox said:
The murder rate per 100,000 is currently higher than it was prior to the 90s, but from 2010 to 2020 it was around the same level as was typical in South Africa from 1965 to 1980. So the question is did you all feel perfectly safe over those ten years compared to how allegedly totally safe South Africa was before 1990?
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No... Because the police became more useless... Look at how the riots were handled...or rather not handled...might as well rely on the cat for help...
 
noxibox said:
The murder rate per 100,000 is currently higher than it was prior to the 90s, but from 2010 to 2020 it was around the same level as was typical in South Africa from 1965 to 1980. So the question is did you all feel perfectly safe over those ten years compared to how allegedly totally safe South Africa was before 1990?
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Again I will add, how accurate is the data and statistics coming from SAPS / Government?
As for you time period 1965 to 1980, I think a lot of that specific data can be contributed to the uprising against the Apartheid regime.
I haven't seen the data you are referring to, care to share a link ?
 
noxibox said:
The murder rate per 100,000 is currently higher than it was prior to the 90s, but from 2010 to 2020 it was around the same level as was typical in South Africa from 1965 to 1980. So the question is did you all feel perfectly safe over those ten years compared to how allegedly totally safe South Africa was before 1990?
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If that makes you feel safe, good for you then :thumbsup:

I also feel perfectly safe, just have different ways to ensure it and measure it.
 
Smugs said:
Local gun club had an open day here.. And I saw this.. Didn't even ask what it cost or haw to justify it, I just drooled.

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Not being there on the day and not seeing how that .50 was made safe, as good looking as it is, the magazine being in and the bolt closed while on display will make me nervous.

I would have preferred it with the bolt open and a nice chamber flag in place.

Either way, really nice rifle! :thumbsup:
 
MentellusMaximus said:
Not being there on the day and not seeing how that .50 was made safe, as good looking as it is, the magazine being in and the bolt closed while on display will make me nervous.

I would have preferred it with the bolt open and a nice chamber flag in place.

Either way, really nice rifle! :thumbsup:
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I'm with you on that. There were several weapons on the table for public to handle and fiddle with. There was no ammunition in sight anywhere except on the shooting range so I assume the organizers did their job, BUT the cardinal rule still remains. It was quite surprising how many people did not make the weapons safe before handling them but I guess the were just Joe Soap public who don't own weapons.
 
Smugs said:
I'm with you on that. There were several weapons on the table for public to handle and fiddle with. There was no ammunition in sight anywhere except on the shooting range so I assume the organizers did their job, BUT the cardinal rule still remains. It was quite surprising how many people did not make the weapons safe before handling them but I guess the were just Joe Soap public who don't own weapons.
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Have helped out at a number of them over the years, and yes, it is a challenge at these events.

I am pedantic AF over firearm safety though, those elements are non-negotiable to me.

Anyway, DAMN nice looking rifle that.
 
MentellusMaximus said:
Have helped out at a number of them over the years, and yes, it is a challenge at these events.

I am pedantic AF over firearm safety though, those elements are non-negotiable to me.

Anyway, DAMN nice looking rifle that.
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@MentellusMaximus, as one should always be no need to explain yourself, I prefer "pedantic over safety" .

I do believe this is what's on display and if you have enough Randalas it can be yours ;)
They are around R120 000 if I remember correctly.

PS: Love myself a good chamber flag.

CMS 12,7x99mm | Truvelo

truvelo.co.za truvelo.co.za
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
@MentellusMaximus, as one should always be no need to explain yourself, I prefer "pedantic over safety" .

I do believe this is what's on display and if you have enough Randalas it can be yours ;)
They are around R120 000 if I remember correctly.

PS: Love myself a good chamber flag.

CMS 12,7x99mm | Truvelo

truvelo.co.za truvelo.co.za
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Three years ago..

www.gunafrica.co.za

.50 BMG Truvelo, Truvelo .50cal for sale. Complete package with scope (Bushnell Elite Tactical 4.5-30x56, MRAD. FFP), cases, die set, 280 bullets, 200x primers, SKB hard rifle case, 6x B12.7 powder, silencer

www.gunafrica.co.za www.gunafrica.co.za
 
wingnut771 said:
They equals competency test and I have no fukken idea hence the kak question.
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OK so after my previous comment on this, let me give this a go...

The proficiency training and tests are really just FCA and firearm type theory, basic firearm handling for the type of firearm the person is doing proficiency for, and a really simple practical test ending with shooting at a piece of paper.

When it comes to temper etc., this is a difficult one, and the only current portion in the licensing test which caters for that to any extent is the character witnesses to be provided as part of the process.
Now we all know that an applicant will not go and provide witnesses who will give bad references, but at least the witnesses need to be close enough that it should highlight someone with serious anger issues (for example someone who assaults his wife), but it is not fail safe at all.
Also, most of us, including people with no intent of owning a firearm, want others to measure, judge and control what we can, or cannot do, and I for one certainly will not trust the government to have to measure this as part of the FCA process, so if this is required, who would do it, how would it be done, and how do we make sure it is fair.
People also change over time, someone with anger issues now might outgrow it, and someone without anger issues may be triggered by something random at some point and take out a bunch of people - so will it be measured once, occasionally, annually, or how (taking into consideration that the FCA process and management is a shitshow as it stands today already).

In the past I might have been labelled as someone with anger/temper issues, but I am one of the safest firearm owners out there and am very measured and controlled when it comes to all things related to firearms ownership and use, it is just a real pity that I lost all my firearms in a boating incident (just to answer the original thread question).

Interesting subject.
 
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