Do you think Ramaphosa's planned corruption crackdown will work?

Do you think Ramaphosa's planned corruption crackdown will work?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 4.4%
  • No

    Votes: 503 95.6%

  • Total voters
    526
A TwitLonger post on Mybroadband, great.

Sad to see that you are inherently racist.

Sure, mate. Because I am calling these on theirs? Is there a way to do it that would not seem racist to you?
 
What happened to when he became president was he lying then or is he lying now?
 
Money making scheme - more commisions, many years, billions more wasted, no conclusive results.
 
The SIU is empowered to institute civil proceedings for the recovery of any damages or losses incurred by the state.
Civil proceedings :ROFL:

Pay a fine if you're caught and try to cover your tracks better next time...
 
Sure, mate. Because I am calling these on theirs? Is there a way to do it that would not seem racist to you?

These on theirs, what now?

To quote you,

This might surprise you, but I am a white, Afrikaans speaking male.

...

4) The ANC does have opposition in the black part of our society, and it is the inherent racism of white people that prevents them from leveraging this to everyone's benefit.

Look, you said it, and I honestly don't have issues with my skin colour. Yes, I am privileged. Do I see all other people as my equals, yes. Do I blame 'black' government because they are simply 'black', no.

Don't be surprised.
 
Not a snowball's chance in a volcano. Lip service was what we saw, heard last night.

Case in point, have we seen any corrupt cretin in state capture in court or jail yet? How long ago did CR to come to power?
 
Hey why don't we have another zondo commission after lockdown..
Let's even give it another name (maybe zondo 2) so we don't get confused!

Actually, Imo the persons implicated at zondo should be rounded up and tried in court before they die of old age.
 
Not a snowball's chance in a volcano. Lip service was what we saw, heard last night.

Case in point, have we seen any corrupt cretin in state capture in court or jail yet? How long ago did CR to come to power?

Agree - as they say in the classics, a little bullshidt goes a long way
 
No, I think he's just paying lip service.
The ANC has zero track record in dealing with corruption and crime, especially in their own ranks.
Nothing will come of this.
 
5) These complainers about governmental theft neglect to remember that the apartheid government was one of the most corrupt to ever operate on the face of this planet
Bullshiat.

Unadulterated. Unsupported. Manufactured Bullshiat.

You strike me as mentally impaired to a degree that would make a potato point and laugh.
 
This might surprise you, but I am a white, Afrikaans speaking male.

By your highlighting, I assume you agree with my points.

To clarify:
1) The idea that a white person should lead an African nation is not only naive, but patently stupid.

What does the colour of the leader matter if that leader is motivated by trying to improve the lives of all South Africans, sure it may not happen for a while because of the tribalistic ideas that are baked into the continent surely the idea that the best leader should be chosen rather than the best leader of a certain race is something to aim for?

2) If you look in this forum, and many, many others like it, the people you see complaining about the ANC:

a) Are white, by and large
b) Would moan about anything any black government does, simply because it is a black and not a white government telling them what to do.

Some of us complained plenty about what the Nats did when they were power, I really don't care what colour a person in government is as long as they are not corrupt and are honestly trying to improve the lives of South Africans as a whole.

3) Racism is rampant in forums like these - and far more than any actual mistake by government, is the ACTUAL motivator for all the complaints.

Wait, so the rampant corruption, cadre deployment and general lack of respect for the population isn't enough to justify criticism of the ANC, it must be because of Racism?

4) The ANC does have opposition in the black part of our society, and it is the inherent racism of white people that prevents them from leveraging this to everyone's benefit. They would rather complain than work together with a black person.

Last I checked the ANC got 60% of the vote, sure there is black opposition but blaming whites because the ANC is still in power seems like a bit of a fantasy... Not to mention that a lot of black people opposing the ANC voted for the EFF, is it the fault of whites that they don't want to work with people who accuse all whites of being land thieves?

5) These complainers about governmental theft neglect to remember that the apartheid government was one of the most corrupt to ever operate on the face of this planet, and that it's leaders exported BILLIONS, nay TRILLIONS
from this nation..
We all agree that the Nats where terrible, does that make us Racist for wanting the ANC to be better than them?
 
These on theirs, what now?

To quote you,



Look, you said it, and I honestly don't have issues with my skin colour. Yes, I am privileged. Do I see all other people as my equals, yes. Do I blame 'black' government because they are simply 'black', no.

Don't be surprised.

By these on theirs. I mean I see the same flavour of comments on this forum, by and large, as I see, for example, on the Suidlanders forum.

I am not defending the ANC. What I am saying, as a white guy, is what I see and experience on a daily basis. The vast majority of white people I encounter in daily life and online, would FAR prefer a white government making decisions for them (irrespective of how good or bad those decisions are) than having a black government make decisions for them (irrespective of how good or bad those decisions are).

When it comes to actively working out there to change society, away from these nickname-protected forums, these same commenters who are "ANC this" amd "cANCer that", are conspicuously missing.

They are not politically active, yet they bitch and moan about everything. When they do sign a petition online, it's so full of incorrect spelling and swearwords, it's embarrassing.

Complain, complain complain. But not even a single attempt to go and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING to change things. It's like that on here, it's like that on Facebook and just about everywhere I can find. White people blaming the ANC instead of doing something. And when its not complaints and moaning, its subtle hinting at how SA will one day be white again.

You know exactly what I am talking about. Admitting privilege is the very first, very baby step. There is a TON to be done by every single white south african, every single day after that. Every single white south african still experiences unearned, undeserved privilege in this country every single day. That should be actively balanced, by white people, by paying that privilege forward. How you do it is irrelevant. But it should be tangible, it should be effective and it should change the lives of those who do not have that unearned privilege directly. That is the ONLY way to balance the scale. And I am not singling anyone out. I am speaking to all my fellow whites. If the shoe fits, own it. I am not addressing YOU directly.

To just say "I know I am privileged" is doing nothing. To not hate black people is doing nothing. To hate on the ANC on forums is doing nothing. Even to NOT hate on the ANC in forums is still doing nothing. What skills do you have? How many young black okes have you passed that skill onto? How much have you actually, physically done to improve / change / help government? How much have you done to help underprivileged people (over and above your taxes) people in your community? If you are on a farm, how big is your community garden? How many young black folks have you taught the ins and outs of farming, so that when they get land, they know what to do with it when the government gives them land? I can go on and on.

And that's the problem. White Saffas are WAY too happy to sit behind their 8 foot high white castle walls in Durbanville, polishing their double cab bakkie and their two quad bikes, whilst having a braai and moaning on forums via their 10 grand cellphones about how **** life is for them under the ANC.
 
If the crackdown is that the ANC and appointees become more corrupt, then this may be the first successful ANC venture in my opinion.
 
What does the colour of the leader matter if that leader is motivated by trying to improve the lives of all South Africans, sure it may not happen for a while because of the tribalistic ideas that are baked into the continent surely the idea that the best leader should be chosen rather than the best leader of a certain race is something to aim for?

I don't know, ask Pro-colonialism Zille, and whether you would be happy with such a leader (or the same people, cut from the same cloth, that came after her) if you were a black person.

Some of us complained plenty about what the Nats did when they were power, I really don't care what colour a person in government is as long as they are not corrupt and are honestly trying to improve the lives of South Africans as a whole.

Show me a single post-apartheid white leader in this nation that you can HONESTLY apply that sentence to.

Wait, so the rampant corruption, cadre deployment and general lack of respect for the population isn't enough to justify criticism of the ANC, it must be because of Racism?

My point is that if the ANC made gold coins rain out of the sky, peole will still bitch about the stupid government causing them brain damage.

Last I checked the ANC got 60% of the vote, sure there is black opposition but blaming whites because the ANC is still in power seems like a bit of a fantasy... Not to mention that a lot of black people opposing the ANC voted for the EFF, is it the fault of whites that they don't want to work with people who accuse all whites of being land thieves?

I am not just blaming whites because the ANC is corrupt. I am blaming them because they refuse to party up under black leaders, or will only tolerate tokenised black leadership like under the DA. Everybody knows that the DA is about one thing only: Protecting white privileges. And the brown and black faces they hide behind are just stooges.

We all agree that the Nats where terrible, does that make us Racist for wanting the ANC to be better than them?
 
I'm actually impressed with Cyril.

Impressed that he managed to keep a straight face through that whole dealing with corruption spiel.
 
Your quoting is broken....


Cray said:


What does the colour of the leader matter if that leader is motivated by trying to improve the lives of all South Africans, sure it may not happen for a while because of the tribalistic ideas that are baked into the continent surely the idea that the best leader should be chosen rather than the best leader of a certain race is something to aim for?

I don't know, ask Pro-colonialism Zille, and whether you would be happy with such a leader (or the same people, cut from the same cloth, that came after her) if you were a black person.

Some of us complained plenty about what the Nats did when they were power, I really don't care what colour a person in government is as long as they are not corrupt and are honestly trying to improve the lives of South Africans as a whole.

Show me a single post-apartheid white leader in this nation that you can HONESTLY apply that sentence to.

Wait, so the rampant corruption, cadre deployment and general lack of respect for the population isn't enough to justify criticism of the ANC, it must be because of Racism?

My point is that if the ANC made gold coins rain out of the sky, peole will still bitch about the stupid government causing them brain damage.

Last I checked the ANC got 60% of the vote, sure there is black opposition but blaming whites because the ANC is still in power seems like a bit of a fantasy... Not to mention that a lot of black people opposing the ANC voted for the EFF, is it the fault of whites that they don't want to work with people who accuse all whites of being land thieves?

I am not just blaming whites because the ANC is corrupt. I am blaming them because they refuse to party up under black leaders, or will only tolerate tokenised black leadership like under the DA. Everybody knows that the DA is about one thing only: Protecting white privileges. And the brown and black faces they hide behind are just stooges.

We all agree that the Nats where terrible, does that make us Racist for wanting the ANC to be better than them?
 
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