Do you think Ramaphosa's planned corruption crackdown will work?

Do you think Ramaphosa's planned corruption crackdown will work?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 4.4%
  • No

    Votes: 503 95.6%

  • Total voters
    526
"Do you think it's appropriate to take away the land of a white person just because they are white and give it to someone else just because they are black?"

No - but all white farmers should at least give up part of their land - especially the land not under active food production - or select black co-owners (that's what I opted for).

"Do you have any detailed stats or sources of how many people where given land or got it cheaply versus how many paid market value for their land?"

Competition was removed - in fact it was neatly done. If you have a pool of say 1 million people competing (singly or in groups) to purchase land - then the law of supply and demand kicks in and determines the price, but if say only 50 000 people are able to purchase the land (by law) - the law of supply and demand also plays a role. In 1980 you could buy 20 hectares of land in Rustenburg for about a 100K. In 2000 that same piece of land cost 2.5 million. That is a huge jump for exactly the same piece land. That's WAY above inflation.

"It ignores than some people paid for their farms and land fairly, some of it was given by tribes and some was stolen, every situation needs to be dealt with individually such as has been done in the past but are you advocating that all white own land should be in the hands of black people, even land that was not previously settled?"

My family way back used to own Rysmierbult. The guy who owned it at the time, a guy named Rosslee, sold it for a pair of Vellies. Rysmierbult was one of the richest diamond deposits in South Africa. I think a lot of the land that was "fairly" sold by black people or tribes happened due to the same causes - a lack of education or even any idea of what it's worth. You know, in the same way that vast portions of the South American continent was "fairly" traded for shiny baubles. I don't know if you think such things are fair trade.

I know I speak in broad strokes - but it is hard to nuance in a setting like this. It's hard to convey intention and attitude.

If there was a broad-based across-the-board by land owners to include black farmers in co-ownership or give up some of their land (it has happened, but is insignificant) - then I would not say a word. For example - close to me there is a guy who owns a lot of land. Not doing much of anything on it. Then one day, I drive by and I see him and his wife standing in the veld, hugging each other and crying. Soon thereafter I heard that the part (not all) of the land he was doing nothing on was given to a black farmer under a land claim. Should I feel sorry for that guy? Because now, when I drive by there, the land is fully cultivated under Naartjie and Orange trees. I don't know whether he (the original owner) "fairly" obtained that land or not. It was probably inherited - so no financial skin off his back? Hurt pride, perhaps, but at least it's not just hoarding land going on there anymore. And I like naartjies.

What I am saying is that we have to economically empower everyone in this country, for our own sake. I don't agree that land should just be taken and given - the recipient must prove their ability to use it properly. That is why I am right now working with government and an NGO to transform my land into a training farm - the idea is to get government to fund training for matriculants who want to farm. And then give them land to go do it on, close to their communities. Can you see any real problem with that?
I have no issue with that, the problem is, how many of these people really want to farm and how many just want a steady income without putting in the work? My uncle has a small farm in camperdown and there are a number of farms around him that have been redistributed only to sit barren and empty..

You are a farmer, for you, land equals income, an not sure everyone who asks for land is actually interested or even capable or earning a living from the land.

And I agree, if land is not currently used or under cultivation then I have no issue with it being given to someone else, assuming they actually use it..
 
I have no issue with that, the problem is, how many of these people really want to farm and how many just want a steady income without putting in the work? My uncle has a small farm in camperdown and there are a number of farms around him that have been redistributed only to sit barren and empty..

You are a farmer, for you, land equals income, an not sure everyone who asks for land is actually interested or even capable or earning a living from the land.

And I agree, if land is not currently used or under cultivation then I have no issue with it being given to someone else, assuming they actually use it..

Agreed. There must be proof of knowledge and proof of the financial means to properly utilize the land, otherwise it's just a switch. (In the same way, white farmers / landowners must also show their ability and financial means to use the land for food production.) I think white farmers are in a great position to use land restitution to their advantage - become the expert - and be willing to share that expertise. But that requires a fundamental change in thinking around race and race relations and equality - and I think that is where the bulk of the struggle lies.

That way, government becomes an ally, instead of an opponent - at least where it concerns the dept of Agri - and they have budget. So if you can't get money for your land, link your skills to your land and make government protect you. It's a model that can be the way out for a lot of struggling farmers.
 
So what are you suggesting?

I, for one, have no political allegiance towards the DA. If a better alternative were to come along I would give them a chance. If we're talking about dogma and hangups where politics is concerned, surely we need to focus on a majority propping up a failed party in a (for all intents and purposes) failed state?

I'm not even sure why whites are brought into this. The white vote counts for essentially nothing in the grand scheme of things.
I am not suggesting but am praying and hoping that one day, hopefully sooner rather than later, the political landscape in this country changes because people start changing their attitude/ perception of other people and thereby ensuring that we vote for the party that sees the good in all the people and also does good towards those people. Talk is cheap as they say, people on the ground need to start working toward that change. It will take action and not talk shops.

Personally, the DA is screwed and is going nowhere fast. Sadly, it brought that on itself. The ANC is kept alive by the voters because of the tragic life that the majority of the people in this country had to endure. Things are changing even though it is slowly, a lot of people are getting fed up with the ANC and its corruption and fraud. I have a problem with the narrative on this forum that always depicts the people who vote for the ANC as idiots or illiterates without trying to find out why they do so. The fact that people are still being treated as in the old apartheid days in the farms, households (domestic employees, so called gardeners included) and then the social media outlets like wahatsap, Twitter and Facebook show acts of racism make people harden up when they think of giving "white" parties a chance.

Don't also forget that the likes of Malema and Ndlozi are always ready to latch on things that are negative and blow them up.

I, for one, am pushing for the likes of Mashaba for a new dawn. I don't think Maimane is a politician but it is nice to have someone who would "disrupt" (in a positive way) the status quo, so, he is also welcome. Lord knows we need a change in the current leadership, I include all the parties in that assessment.

The ANC just has too much power and it easily a abuses it.
 
Thank you for this post.

Unfortunately, and as you pointed out, it will fall on deaf ears considering the attitude that is mostly due the upbringing of most people here on Mybroadband who can't get past the colour line.
Congrats on finally coming out of the closet :thumbsup:
 
This nation. And it will continue taking a Rogering until the WHITES in this country realize that:
a) NO political party led by white people (Johnny and Alan etc etc) will or should ever rule an African nation again and;
b) That the only way to save this nation is to lose their remnant racism and work WITH the black opposition to the ANC, and start a NEW political party where not a single existing politician is involved, white or black or whatever. In fact, this new political party should not place a single person older than 40 or without a real PHD in any leadership role.

Until then, enjoy Roger.
Can we apply the same to Europe as well?

Or how does this work? :unsure:
 
The only thing that will work in SA is for the ANC to declare an election AND the voters pick a government that WILL tackle the problem
Will.

Never.

Happen.

Not whilst the vast majority of masochists continue to vote for these thieving buffoons.
 
Dear MBB, where is the LOL What the **** Are you for real!? option.
 
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