daveza
Honorary Master
To put this in perspective this would be equivalent to the population of Cape Town paying tax and the rest of the country not.
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To put this in perspective this would be equivalent to the population of Cape Town paying tax and the rest of the country not.
kripstoe
Expert Member
Indeed.
They should rather spend whatever they would have spend on this on education.
But then, with educated people, they won't get votes.
Nee man, there's children and the elderly in that 50 million.
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Picard
Guest
Please show me one thing they have ever thought through.
reactor_sa
Executive Member
So when this is done there will be just 2 wealth classes: the uber super wealthy (zoomer included), and the poverty stricken, because this will kill the middle class if there are tax implications.
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Picard
Guest
And the one thing that democracy in a modern society needs to survive is a middle class. ... Point made and Amen.
The ANC aren't even remotely interested in anything democratic. Their sole concern is to get the developing world to the level of the developed world as soon as possible. No matter it is totally wrong or not.
Messugga
Honorary Master
You know that the NP became the NNP which was then absorbed into the ANC, right? The only racist here seems to be you. And an ignorant one at that.
Wait what? This has SACP written all over it. I can't see how in any way a trade union would be involved. The fact that you don't know how to distinguish between the two is worrying.
I welcome this move.
I posted a rebuttal to those claims. That fund is actually doing a pretty sterling job at the moment. The press hopped on the bandwagon about it because it had generated little in terms of realised revenue yet, which is absurd considering that the fund is in its infancy. It is investing; it is doing so properly based on well researched business proposals; and it is turning ideas into jobs and businesses. It is far too early to expect those companies to be revenue generating considering that they are all massive projects and are in their first year of operations, some still in development stage.
We need more entrepreneurial and skills/educational funds like the one you mention and far fewer socialist spending programmes that are funded on tax liabilities. A dole system is not even revenue-neutral, it is a liability in a country with little growth (under-performing inflation by a long-shot) and massive tax burdens on a small tax base. This will simply increase inflation, not empower anyone. It is a ridiculous proposal in terms of creating a better economic environment to later reap the rewards thereof...
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Albereth
Honorary Master
He isn't bright enough to be ignorant.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
COSATU's hellbent opposition to the youth wage subsidy is what caused the ANC to abandon it. It's worrying that you think COSATU wouldn't be involved in discussions around a job seekers grant.
You know what, you're absolutely right. COSATU doesn't give a flying f*** about unemployed/unemployable people.
Now that we've established that, it's still a miserable plan. 0 return on investment.
There is nothing inherently wrong with this sort of scheme, but it can't be any benefit alone. And that's really been the government's failure to date. At the very least they've failed on one of the core requirements - a robust education system.
It can't really be said to have failed though. The payouts are a bit higher than they reasonably should be, and the government is too eager to declare people disabled (that was Margaret Thatcher's government's idea). But overall it's workable there because they do have a lot of employed people. That's how it has worked in all countries with social welfare, which is much of the developed countries.
That's only because the government there wanted to cover up the real unemployment figures, and they expanded state support to ridiculous levels. It was Margaret Thatcher's government that sought to hide the country's unemployment numbers through state benefits. The further expansion of state support from her government onward became about controlling, not helping people.
It can't really be said to have failed though. The payouts are a bit higher than they reasonably should be, and the government is too eager to declare people disabled (that was Margaret Thatcher's government's idea). But overall it's workable there because they do have a lot of employed people. That's how it has worked in all countries with social welfare, which is much of the developed countries.
There are plenty of people who would love to have jobs and everyday slog around trying to earn themselves some money. If you think life on their side is easy and just a matter of get a job, then swap places with them. Let me know how it goes.
The DA are many bad things, but racist most certainly isn't one of them. The ANC though seems to manage to be most of those same bad things and incompetent to boot.
Other Pineapple Smurf
Honorary Master
End of day ANC is just making it easier for us with colonial minds to leave this country.
The_Unbeliever
Honorary Master
Agreed. All this will achieve is laziness. Why must I go work if I can get money for no effort?
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
You'd be happy with R450 a month?
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
You have 2 options...
Work hard for R1500 - R3000 per month... or sit on your arse and get R450 for absolutely nothing.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Well, many are sitting on their arses already for R0, so it's obvious which option they'd choose.
Problem with this (and any other government policy for that matter) is implementation. How will they enforce compliance with the skills development part of the deal? How difficult would it be to convince government that you are busy with some kind of job training? How many fly-by-night operations will issue 'proof' that someone is indeed enrolled there, enabling them to get the grant? Not to even mention the straight-forward old-fashion corruption that will come of this. If the social security grants are anything to go by, it's going to be immense.