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Dota 2 team disqualified for using illegal mouse

A Peruvian Dota 2 team named Thunder Predator has been disqualified from The International 2018, due to a player using a programmable mouse.

In a qualifying match on 19 June 2018, Thunder Predator team member Atún used a Razer Synapse 3 programmable mouse to gain an edge over opposing players.
 
Quite surprised that macros arent allowed... They tend to be very rigid in their capability and usually only useful under specific circumstances. Kinda curious exactly the macro was that was used...
 
Werfetter said:
Quite surprised that macros arent allowed... They tend to be very rigid in their capability and usually only useful under specific circumstances. Kinda curious exactly the macro was that was used...
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Macros have been disallowed from a number of comps/mmo's even.
 
Kosmik said:
Macros have been disallowed from a number of comps/mmo's even.
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Does it makes sense to have tournaments where macros are allowed? As I posted before, surely the ability to skilfully program and effectively use a macro should count towards the skill required to play the game?
 
LCBXX said:
Does it makes sense to have tournaments where macros are allowed? As I posted before, surely the ability to skilfully program and effectively use a macro should count towards the skill required to play the game?
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Or you could get someone else to program it for you? To me use of macro's should not be allowed. It's like having a bot do some of the work for you.
 
Kosmik said:
Macros have been disallowed from a number of comps/mmo's even.
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I think I can understand why. Specifically in comps. Didn't even realise that some of the key bindings I use are technically illegal then.
 
It sounds like the mouse was using some sort of performance enhancer/steroids
 
LCBXX said:
Surely this can be seen as a skill in playing DOTA?
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In any encounter part of the skill of the game is getting your actions off in the most efficient manner
So perhaps you could stun/immobilise the opponent for a theoretical maximum of lets say 5 seconds if you timed everything perfectly. But mistime one action and your opponent can escape or counter. By running a macro you would get the perfect sequence every time without fail, which is clearly an unfair advantage.
 
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I remember when Blizzard slammed macro’s in Diablo 3 and did public bans. Accurate timings do give a competitive advantage. Every ‘big’ comp publishes the restrictions to which every team and player must abide by. They have it in DOTA, CS, SC…

In games like CS you can do things with macros you can’t do without macros.

In this case, I believe it is ‘optimised’ timing and ‘execution’.

Mice with onboard storage are now largely being disallowed on the big stage in FPS games, largely due to the ability that 'hacks' can be loaded externally.
 
Splinter said:
Or you could get someone else to program it for you? To me use of macro's should not be allowed. It's like having a bot do some of the work for you.
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Fundamentally incorrect. Macro's are not bots. Bots involve a certain amount of automation which are not intended by the developer, such as choices being made on behalf of the user.
Macro's on the other hand are a little iffy as they can mimic user behaviour (i.e. no difference other than 1 click vs 3) to creating something with timings that are not possible by humans.
However, all macro's are very much created for a situation and applicable to a very narrow scope. I would say that a player who has good macro's is more prepared than a player without and is therefore more skillful.

Your argument is along the lines of banning access to Sun Tzu's art of war because the knowledge imparted to one player can give them an edge in combat.

Macro's and the ability to write them, alongside devices that support them equates to an equal opportunity playing field.
Don't see the problem unless the macro is doing something a player cannot do.
 
DMNknight said:
Fundamentally incorrect. Macro's are not bots. Bots involve a certain amount of automation which are not intended by the developer, such as choices being made on behalf of the user.
Macro's on the other hand are a little iffy as they can mimic user behaviour (i.e. no difference other than 1 click vs 3) to creating something with timings that are not possible by humans.
However, all macro's are very much created for a situation and applicable to a very narrow scope. I would say that a player who has good macro's is more prepared than a player without and is therefore more skillful.

Your argument is along the lines of banning access to Sun Tzu's art of war because the knowledge imparted to one player can give them an edge in combat.

Macro's and the ability to write them, alongside devices that support them equates to an equal opportunity playing field.
Don't see the problem unless the macro is doing something a player cannot do.
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Fundamentally don't agree. Getting someone to prepare a "better macro" for you is not better prepared, just means you have access to better resources. Got nothing to do with a level playing field to test skills against each other.

As for the bot thing, it's just an analogy, not a thesis or dissertation submitted for review...
 
Splinter said:
Fundamentally don't agree. Getting someone to prepare a "better macro" for you is not better prepared, just means you have access to better resources. Got nothing to do with a level playing field to test skills against each other.

As for the bot thing, it's just an analogy, not a thesis or dissertation submitted for review...
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and if you write the macro yourself?
 
Splinter said:
Fundamentally don't agree. Getting someone to prepare a "better macro" for you is not better prepared, just means you have access to better resources. Got nothing to do with a level playing field to test skills against each other.

As for the bot thing, it's just an analogy, not a thesis or dissertation submitted for review...
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and secondly, Shaka Zulu identified a need for a short spear in the "traditional" warfare mindset, something that could both be thrown and push aside a shield in close range to defeat his enemy armed with a much longer weapon.

I think crying foul in combat when someone out thinks you is rather pointless. If creating a macro, recognising that you need a macro and getting someone to make it for you and then being able to use it when the circumstance is right for it, that's still skill.
 
DMNknight said:
and secondly, Shaka Zulu identified a need for a short spear in the "traditional" warfare mindset, something that could both be thrown and push aside a shield in close range to defeat his enemy armed with a much longer weapon.

I think crying foul in combat when someone out thinks you is rather pointless. If creating a macro, recognising that you need a macro and getting someone to make it for you and then being able to use it when the circumstance is right for it, that's still skill.
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And you disputed my analogy....

But, much like I think crying foul over being called out for breaching a competitions rules is pointless.
 
Silly article.

There is no such thing as a Razer Synapse 3 mouse, Synapse 3 is their management software for the mouse, keyboard, etc.
 
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