Drivers locked up

VJB 449 said:
I have no problem with applying the law. But in this case it is not applied consistently. Where are the locked up taxi drivers? Police focus on easy targets whilst ignoring the real killers on the road. But locking up tax drivers would be akin to political suicide. Only in Africa ...
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True...

Serious traffic offenders (speedsters, hell drivers & cellphone users) should be locked up immediately upon committing the offence - really the only deterrent, but then that's only my view and I'm not making the laws... :rolleyes:
 
Getafix said:
Perfectly correct.

How do you prove it was done to inconvenience you? We all know it is the case but proving it is something else.

Again, take your punishment, learn and put it behind you.

Getting involved in extremely complicated court cases costing tens of thousands of rands compared to +/- R500.00 and two days inconvenience because you were naughty should not be such a difficult decision.:)
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So basically your point is even if the cop's actions are illegal its fine because they'll get away with it? Nice.
 
Nod said:
And then get jailed for using a phone while driving?
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LOL. Drunk& Driving and Speeding should be there main focus , if you can reduce these you can reduce accidents but clamping down on minor traffic offenses wont save lifes during the holiday season but only give the police nice christmas bonus's :o
 
Getafix said:
You came up with one incident in your area to defend these criminals.
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ToxicBunny said:
I don't think anybody is actually defending the criminals (or at least I'm not). What does bother me is that the punishment FAR outweighs the crime
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The "one incident" was intended to demonstrate that we can't just lock up people just because they got a fine somewhere for something.

Getafix said:
In that context what has a surgeon got to do with this?
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In both cases people die. Neither can be justified with
"What percentage ... are wrongly marked compared with the correctly mark."

Getafix said:
It is totally legal.
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No. Check this site (which has a .gov extension btw). Even for an instant summon you get 30 days to pay. For them to arrest you for speeding fines they need a warrant for your arrest or they need to prove that you received your summons and 30 days + 14 grace has elapsed. Oh, and they may not first drive you to the police station and then get the arrest warrant there. They have to show it to you on request.

Oh, and the whole legal debate was already covered last year on myadsl here. So it's not something I am "argue for argument sake go do it on campus." As you tactfully pointed out.

Man. I'm going for a swim. This is stressing me.
 
Fantastic! I support this 100%. I'm sick and tired of motorists doing whatever they like on our roads ... and then tell all who can hear how SA has become a lawless society. These same people will be quick to point out how unsafe SA has become. It all starts at the basics ... the small things. These drivers often break the rules of the road in the presence of their kids who grows up confused about the mixed messages they're getting from their parents. When it suits the parents the hungry guy who stole the chicken is a thief and should be locked-up ... and when it suits them they break the laws on our roads and call those enforcing it over aggressive.

JMPD, you are on the ball.
 
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HavocXphere said:
No. Check this site (which has a .gov extension btw). Even for an instant summon you get 30 days to pay. For them to arrest you for speeding fines they need a warrant for your arrest or they need to prove that you received your summons and 30 days + 14 grace has elapsed. Oh, and they may not first drive you to the police station and then get the arrest warrant there. They have to show it to you on request.
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You are making one small mistake. These people are not being arrested for having outstanding traffic fines.
 
HavocXphere said:
The "one incident" was intended to demonstrate that we can't just lock up people just because they got a fine somewhere for something.


In both cases people die. Neither can be justified with
"What percentage ... are wrongly marked compared with the correctly mark."


No. Check this site (which has a .gov extension btw). Even for an instant summon you get 30 days to pay. For them to arrest you for speeding fines they need a warrant for your arrest or they need to prove that you received your summons and 30 days + 14 grace has elapsed. Oh, and they may not first drive you to the police station and then get the arrest warrant there. They have to show it to you on request.

Oh, and the whole legal debate was already covered last year on myadsl here. So it's not something I am "argue for argument sake go do it on campus." As you tactfully pointed out.

Man. I'm going for a swim. This is stressing me.
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I hope the swim wake you up.

We aren't talking about summonses, we are talking committing a criminal act and being arrested on the spot. Hell of a difference
 
Superman said:
LOL. Drunk& Driving and Speeding should be there main focus , if you can reduce these you can reduce accidents but clamping down on minor traffic offenses wont save lifes during the holiday season but only give the police nice christmas bonus's :o
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Ahh. So "minor" traffic laws like not being allowed to drive through stop streets, robots, down the emergency lane etc. are more like "guidelines'" and are left up to the individual to decide wether he feels like following them or not? God forbid that the cops ever do anything about them. How about theft? If the value is under R100 should the cops bother with it? It's only minor after all.
 
Havoc, let go of your conflicting traffic markings. Were there conflicting markings at the point where these people were arrested?

The metro police are doing their job.
 
NoRulez said:
Since when?
Traffic offence means breaking the law.
Breaking the law is criminal.
I suggest you read the National Road Traffic Act, 1996 to see what constitutes "criminal".
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So thats make me You Mbeki and all politicians criminals that should be jailed for the minor traffic offenses. Normally jail is decided for repeating abusers and those refusing to pay the fine and then you get summonsed and a court of law will decide. Obviously these Rwenzori's MyKKK's is off tha ball, Low intellects that what these cops are!
 
Getafix said:
It is totally legal.

You trespass the law you may be arrested by a police/ metro officer. For puny offenses you will be released on bail. Only in exceptional cases will you spend a night behind bars.
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Are you a lawyer? If not you will have to excuse those of us who doubt your credentials to proclaim such a thing on this matter.

Now, lets get the obvious out of the way: metro cops are the scum of the earth. I certainly wouldn't trust them with this sort of power.

Next point: is a traffic infraction classified as a criminal offense or a civl offense or something else? Are there even such classifications in SA?

I think we need someone with actual legal knowledge to clear things up.
 
icyrus said:
Are you a lawyer? If not you will have to excuse those of us who doubt your credentials to proclaim such a thing on this matter.

Now, lets get the obvious out of the way: metro cops are the scum of the earth. I certainly wouldn't trust them with this sort of power.

Next point: is a traffic infraction classified as a criminal offense or a civl offense or something else? Are there even such classifications in SA?

I think we need someone with actual legal knowledge to clear things up.
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IANAL but I think its a criminal offence but you get different levels of criminal offences, you won't get a criminal record for running a red light. Not totally sure though.
 
a-person said:
Yeah but if you arrested you don't have to worry about some monkey's primal urges
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What jail in this world do you not have to worry about someones "primal urges"?

That is my main reason for sticking to the rules, I would like to remain a virgin in that respect. :D
 
sox63 said:
What jail in this world do you not have to worry about someones "primal urges"?

That is my main reason for sticking to the rules, I would like to remain a virgin in that respect. :D
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Some jails are definitely better than others. Luckily I'm not speaking from experience. :D
 
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