Drunk drivers slammed after two cyclists killed

[supersunbird]

Yeah. And how do you we know you are not lying about your speed? And how do we know your speedo is 100% accurate?

It isn't, it can easily by under reading by 10%, but then you would not say he flew past you, you'd say he slowly passed me, if the differential in speed was indeed a mere 10%.

 

[Slootvreter]

It isn't, it can easily by under reading by 10%, but then you would not say he flew past you, you'd say he slowly passed me, if the differential in speed was indeed a mere 10%.

And the part about lying?

 

[supersunbird]

So a court would simply believe this guy was doing, say, 100? Just like that?

No, they could then say he was likely going over at least whatever km/h, if a credible eye witness.

 

[supersunbird]

And the part about lying?

Well, they might indeed lie if they were in fact driving 150 and say they were driving 120, which makes it even worse if they still perceived he flew past them. Just hypothetical, I do not know what the witnesses stated in court.

 

[Slootvreter]

No, they could then say he was likely going over at least whatever km/h, if a credible eye witness.

Ok. So we should accept the word of someone else without proof.

 

[Cray]

Ok. So we should accept the word of someone else without proof.

Witness testimony is always measured on probability - it's up to the deference to demonstrate that a person's recollection or estimation of speed might not be accurate.

 

[supersunbird]

Ok. So we should accept the word of someone else without proof.

The weight of their account would rest on various factors.

As an exmple, obviously my account would have more weighting since I hate lycrans, especially on highways, than that lancelotsa guy from MyBB who said we all killed that one cyclist, cause he is a lycran lover, cause I have no reason to lie about what I observed.

 

[Slootvreter]

Witness testimony is always measured on probability - it's up to the deference to demonstrate that a person's recollection or estimation of speed might not be accurate.

Yeah, but on MyBB Court, it is accepted regardless.

 

[Slootvreter]

The weight of their account would rest on various factors.

As an exmple, obviously my account would have more weighting since I hate lycrans, especially on highways, than that lancelotsa guy from MyBB who said we all killed that one cyclist, cause he is a lycran lover, cause I have no reason to lie about what I observed.

Good post.

 

[Cray]

Yeah, but on MyBB Court, it is accepted regardless.

Indeed, but then someone still needs to explain to my how a sober driver, who was not speeding, somehow managed run down two cyclists...? The freeway doesn't have sharp bends, it was dawn with plenty of light - what possible other explanation is there? (apart from him texting on his phone)

 

[Slootvreter]

Indeed, but then someone still needs to explain to my how a sober driver, who was not speeding, somehow managed run down two cyclists...? The freeway doesn't have sharp bends, it was dawn with plenty of light - what possible other explanation is there? (apart from him texting on his phone)

People make all sort of weird accidents all the time, as we can see on YouTube.

Anything could have happend, he could have been distracted, who knows.

And then he crashed into cyclists who were cycling there illegally.

 

[supersunbird]

People make all sort of weird accidents all the time, as we can see on YouTube.

Anything could have happend, he could have been distracted, who knows.

And then he crashed into cyclists who were cycling there illegally.

Well, in they UK they have an offense called distracted driving, don't think we have that in SA, so he won't be found guilty of that, but ideally if they had it on the books, he would have been found guilty of "death by distracted driving".

 

[Slootvreter]

Well, in they UK they have an offense called distracted driving, don't think we have that in SA, so he won't be found guilty of that, but ideally if they had it on the books, he would have been found guilty of "death by distracted driving".

Imagine there was a major distraction not caused by yourself (like a cellphone ringing, or something). Could make for a very interesting case.

DISCLAIMER: Still not defending drunk drivers.

 

[supersunbird]

Imagine there was a major distraction not caused by yourself (like a cellphone ringing, or something). Could make for a very interesting case.

DISCLAIMER: Still not defending drunk drivers.

Being distracted by such a thing as cell phone ringing or a burning billboard or a naked lady beside the road or whatever, and thus not looking at the road as you must, means you are guilty of distracted driving.

 

[Slootvreter]

Being distracted by such a thing as cell phone ringing or a burning billboard or a naked lady beside the road or whatever, and thus not looking at the road as you must, means you are guilty of distracted driving.

Unless it was an obstacle in the road, or someone or something crossing the road. Hard to prove though.

 

[supersunbird]

Unless it was an obstacle in the road, or someone or something crossing the road. Hard to prove though.

Dash cam for the win.

 

[Slootvreter]

Dash cam for the win.

Yes, it must just not record sound

 

[supersunbird]

Yes, it must just not record sound

Too much "ma se ...."?

I suggest cyclist must have some forward and rearward looking helmet or bike cams for things like this too.

 

[supersunbird]

I watched World Deadliest Drivers or somesuch yesterday, a white car caused a crash on a multi lane highway. The driver of that car said it was the truck that changed lanes and caused the accident. The trucks dashcam clearly shows the truck just stayed in its lane, even after braking and stopping after the crash, when the crash causing driver was told that he quickly changed his story to the correct version and admitted he had fallen asleep.

 

[Slootvreter]

Too much "ma se ...."?

I suggest cyclist must have some forward and rearward looking helmet or bike cams for things like this too.

Exactly that

Yeah, they can also take precautions for their own safety, and what happens after an incident.