DStv going after IPTV operators and other pirates

Brian_G said:
How many rights deals do they have for Africa though? Can they supply the same anti-pirate "guarantees"?
Doubtful, but I'm sure they're working on it... they will end up owning Irdeto as well of course.


That could be said about any rights deals.
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CANAL+ can supply the same "anti-pirate" "guarantees" as DSTV - They are DSTV's only competitor in Africa, and they can easily afford to pay 30 billion for DSTV.
 
Brian_G said:
Just to add more to this bit - it's a whole different ball game in Nigeria, the only place where DStv isn't on top of the market. Quite a few successful competitors there compared (but I don't know the details).
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Nigeria, is but a small part of Africa, CANAL+ is Vivendi Frances Africa operation, only other Broadcaster of note operating in North Africa is BEIN. Vivendi are one of the largest media companies in Europe.
 
elf_lord_ZC5 said:
Nigeria, is but a small part of Africa
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No man, Nigeria has the biggest population in Africa by far, and DStv base many African decisions on behaviour there, including trying to push "local" content that comes from there.

Anyway, we can start to consider DStv and Canal+ as one and the same thing soon, so not sure anymore why we're still debating the point :giggle:
 
Brian_G said:
No man, Nigeria has the biggest population in Africa by far, and DStv base many African decisions on behaviour there, including trying to push "local" content that comes from there.

Anyway, we can start to consider DStv and Canal+ as one and the same thing soon, so not sure anymore why we're still debating the point :giggle:
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A bigger population than other countries around it. A very fragmented population as well, and similar to our own in many ways, so yeah.

And agreed, it seems CANAL+ is making a determined push, to take over DSTV ... , so yeah.

Not that anything is going to change short term, as DSTV still have deals that have multiple years to run, that will need to be honoured.
 
DreamKing said:
I really don't understand why people want to watch monochoice.....

I am not going to watch even it is for free.
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The idea used to be everything in one place. Including video on demand options for most of it, so no having to stick to a schedule.

But these days it's (believed to be) mostly for sports interests, series and movies have taken a nose dive since they decided not to compete with other streaming services.
 
greg0205 said:
See, this is where our paths diverge.

Sports, remember?

Last I checked, Malcolm Marx was a hooker in the Springbok scrum. Malcolm didn't invent the game of Rugby or the position he plays... He plays within a set of rules and what he does in that scrum can't be trademarked or copyrighted. He can't charge licensing fees for his throw-ins at lineout time... Sure he gets paid by his Union, but not for "copyrighted and expensive to create content".

The same applies to Max Verstappen who, within his sporting code, drives a car. The same also applies to Pecco Bagnaia, Jonas Vingegaard, Rory McIlroy and more.

What I'm doing doesn't deprive any of these folks of income... It simply bypasses a decrepid dinosaur's monopoly in terms of a regional restriction designed to ringfence profit for the benefit of it's shareholders.
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Do you think Malcolm's Team pay him and the rest with money made from Ticket sales? Where do they get the millions for his Springbok contract.
These teams get paid from the tv rights. The guys like DSTV you stealing from, pays for those rights.
So if everyone argues like you, DSTV and all the other broadcasters will go bankrupt. You will not be able to watch any sport on tv and Malcolm Marx would get a R20k/m salary.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Do you think Malcolm's Team pay him and the rest with money made from Ticket sales? Where do they get the millions for his Springbok contract.
These teams get paid from the tv rights. The guys like DSTV you stealing from, pays for those rights.
So if everyone argues like you, DSTV and all the other broadcasters will go bankrupt. You will not be able to watch any sport on tv and Malcolm Marx would get a R20k/m salary.
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When sport was on SABC everyone in South Africa watched it. From Rugby to F1. Ask the average person who won last year's Curry Cup, and most, except where they follow rugby, won't know. Same with F1. AFAIK we're one of the only countries where the local sport is fenced off from the general public. In England the FA cup's broadcasting rights clearly state that a percentage of games should be shown on public TV, including the final.
 
ectoplasm said:
When sport was on SABC everyone in South Africa watched it. From Rugby to F1. Ask the average person who won last year's Curry Cup, and most, except where they follow rugby, won't know. Same with F1.
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So much has changed since then.
Families, and more, used to get together around the TV.
Sport has taken a more professional direction.
The majority viewers now seem to prefer just soccer/football and rugby.

ectoplasm said:
AFAIK we're one of the only countries where the local sport is fenced off from the general public. In England the FA cup's broadcasting rights clearly state that a percentage of games should be shown on public TV, including the final.
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MC was clearly in bed with politicians for years over this, but not so much now. Seems to be more about the groups and organisations that control the sport. For the popular soccer interest, not too expensive at all.

We're so different from the western world now, heck we officially even support the eastern world :- (
Govt. acts like it wants to level this playing field but what does it actually do? Would it be good anyway, surely just another move towards Socialism the way they want to go with it.


I think a lot of us don't really understand the subject much at all, even us older gen have to keep changing our minds about what it all means. But greed is a definite, and not just MultiChoice doing that at all.
 
ectoplasm said:
When sport was on SABC everyone in South Africa watched it. From Rugby to F1. Ask the average person who won last year's Curry Cup, and most, except where they follow rugby, won't know. Same with F1. AFAIK we're one of the only countries where the local sport is fenced off from the general public. In England the FA cup's broadcasting rights clearly state that a percentage of games should be shown on public TV, including the final.
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Yeah those days sport was not professional so tv rights was cheap.
I will say it again, do you think the clubs/unions make enough money from ticket sales to pay all the sport stars their millions?
If your government want to have the sport on the national broadcaster, they must pay for it. In SA they don't have the money.
If nobody local want to pay for the tv rights, the sport stars will not get much money and they will all just move to another country where they get paid big bucks and you will watch 3 class players playing on your state broadcaster.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Yeah those days sport was not professional so tv rights was cheap.
I will say it again, do you think the clubs/unions make enough money from ticket sales to pay all the sport stars their millions?
If your government want to have the sport on the national broadcaster, they must pay for it. In SA they don't have the money.
If nobody local want to pay for the tv rights, the sport stars will not get much money and they will all just move to another country where they get paid big bucks and you will watch 3 class players playing on your state broadcaster.
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SA's sport stars make their money playing overseas anyway. Then they play for the Bokke when their contracted international club schedule allows them too.

Us using IPTV does not affect their paychecks at all.
 
TheMightyQuin said:
SA's sport stars make their money playing overseas anyway. Then they play for the Bokke when their contracted international club schedule allows them too.

Us using IPTV does not affect their paychecks at all.
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I don't even know what you trying to say.
Does the Springboks get paid by SARU? From what money?
So all the local provincial teams only have useless players? As the rest play overseas? Nobody get paid millions for Playing for the Bulls, Stormers. Sharks etc?

Yes if everyone uses IPTV, their will be no more money, no more sport and no more iptv. Great argument.
 
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