E-tolls are cheap for users: Sanral

The economics of this etoll thing just don't make sense.

Government must have signed legally binding guarantees for Pravin to have put his stamp on it in the end.

Better hope there is an escape clause of some sort else they're probably levy a special tax to pay off the vendor.
 
At the moment , I have an Avis hire car, and it has an E-Tag.

I presume that all hire cars have them, so there is a chunk of the 600000.
 
My spot check - 0/25 in my office bought a tag.

Heh like anyone would admit they have one. These etags worked for awhile now on the Zambesi/Stormvoel/Rustenburg Highway tollgates, i won't be surprised if people who regularly travel through those might have gotten them out of pure convenience (because everyone is already paying there) and very likely won't admit to having them considering the aggressiveness of people about this ;)
 
Bullschit. And here is why:

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Here is what Nazi Ali had to say a few weeks ago regarding the price:

This is what Sanral’s plate recognition system says drivers will pay monthly:
• 82.83% will pay less than R100
• 10.10% will pay R101 - R200
• 1.82% will pay R201 - R300
• 0.59% will pay R300 - R450

So I decided to crunch these numbers and compare them against their expenditure and debt obligations (all publicly available data)

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Under this scenario, e-toll fees will have to increase by 17.7% to 20% year on year for 7 years in order for them to repay their debt.

Seems that this is the perfect increase in order for them to repay their debt and remain solvent, without risking default on their bonds. The true increase is 17.7% year on year increase, but 20% allows for other overhead costs. The base requirement annual increase is 17.7% year on year for the next 7 years, unless they have lied about their numbers.

So if we're to believe Sanral's claims relating to costs, and their breakdown, we will be subjected to a 20% year on year increase in toll fees every year. This table shows you what you will be paying each year based on which cost bracket you fall under.

Actually this is the kind of thing that should be making its way to the news, as this is all based on data supplied by Sanral themselves. It's just not possible for them to fund the tolls using their numbers, without a 20% year on year increase for 7 years, and without a consistent 100% compliance rate, and 100% 30-day debtors book.

Now let's look at the two more realistic scenarios. If we go with 66% compliance rate, they require a 30.85% year on year increase to the tariffs over 7 years while maintaining a 100% 30-day debtors book (impossible):

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And if we all buckle down and abstain, or at least most of us do, and we assume a 33% compliance rate, then they require a 53.91% year on year increase over 7 years with a 100% 30-day debtors book (impossible), plus a R7,2bn cash injection by government over the next two years:

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This is the information that needs to get out. If you want to spread it far and wide but need some clarification about what you're looking at, then feel free to ask in this thread and I'll happily explain.

But to break it down -

  • I've used Sanral's numbers. These are figures that they have quoted in parliament, in the press, and from their financial statements.
  • I have based their requirements on their existing debt obligations, as per their financial statements.
  • I have then used the numbers that Nazir Ali stated as fact - their breakdown of how many people will pay what.
  • I've then used that model to create scenarios based on compliance rates - 100%, 66%, and 33% (3 million, 2 million, and 1 million people paying each month).
  • I've then adjusted the numbers for the next 7 years (average time required until debt maturity. i.e. they need to repay all debt and interest) to show how much of an increase will be required each year for them to achieve this.
  • I've also provided a weighted average payment that all road users will be liable for. As you can see, it starts out small, but very quickly increases in order for them to remain solvent. So don't be fooled when they make statements like "e-tolls are cheap".
  • I've also broken it down into cost brackets as per Nazir Ali's statements so that you can see exactly what it is you're likely to be paying in the next few years. Basically, if you travel through more than 3 gantries in one direction per day, you will in all likelihood fall into Cost Bracket 4.


Please share this information...
 
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Now to put this into perspective, I have used data that is publicly available, and I have calculated their operational expenditure using these numbers. This amounts to around R1,8bn per annum. Their existing operational expenditure for current operations is R6,1bn per annum, and e-tolls is by far their largest ever project, accounting for a significant portion of their costs. So I have in all likelihood downplayed their expenditure by a long shot. If their expenditure is higher, then it only looks even worse for them...
 
great post DJ, thanks!

I've seen similar figures elsewhere - the e-toll rates for e-tagged sheep, will have to increase and that will be done by reducing the discounts, as the annual increase (before discounts) is pegged at CPI

We just have to stop this!
 
great post DJ, thanks!

I've seen similar figures elsewhere - the e-toll rates for e-tagged sheep, will have to increase and that will be done by reducing the discounts, as the annual increase (before discounts) is pegged at CPI

We just have to stop this!

Even if you have a look at the impossible scenario 1 (the perfect world for them), there is not enough of a discount to reduce. If so, it would require that cost bracket 4 users are receiving a R720 per month discount, on average. If we then add realistic compliance rates of below 66%, we see that within the next 7 years prices for cost bracket 4 need to increase by at least R1600/month per vehicle.

We are being lied to at every step with this project, and if we accept it, then we are going to be forced to pay these increases every year, or government will have to subsidise them to the value of the difference each year - again, we pay. People need to understand that! And those opposed to paying these exorbitant rates need to ensure that others don't just bend over and accept it, because if a majority do, then the system might just work, and we'll all be stuffed, because of their apathy.

Accept E-TOLLING now by purchasing an e-tag and paying, and you will be subject to increases in line with what I posted. Eventually even cost bracket 1 users (people who pass a single gantry once a day) will be paying R500 per month just to keep the system operational...
 
exactly yes, this rip-off can only survive with extra govt injections - i.e. more of our tax money being pissed away

Gotta be stopped and the easiest for us will be NOW, considering we were never properly consulted!
 
Even if you have a look at the impossible scenario 1 (the perfect world for them), there is not enough of a discount to reduce. If so, it would require that cost bracket 4 users are receiving a R720 per month discount, on average. If we then add realistic compliance rates of below 66%, we see that within the next 7 years prices for cost bracket 4 need to increase by at least R1600/month per vehicle.

We are being lied to at every step with this project, and if we accept it, then we are going to be forced to pay these increases every year, or government will have to subsidise them to the value of the difference each year - again, we pay. People need to understand that! And those opposed to paying these exorbitant rates need to ensure that others don't just bend over and accept it, because if a majority do, then the system might just work, and we'll all be stuffed, because of their apathy.

Accept E-TOLLING now by purchasing an e-tag and paying, and you will be subject to increases in line with what I posted. Eventually even cost bracket 1 users (people who pass a single gantry once a day) will be paying R500 per month just to keep the system operational...

SANRAL are legally limited with regards to the percentage they are allowed to increase fees per year, no? And unless I'm mistaken, those limits are way under what you're saying is required of them to be, so that means that there's pretty much only one way to resolve the issue and that is through government bailouts.
 
SANRAL are legally limited with regards to the percentage they are allowed to increase fees per year, no? And unless I'm mistaken, those limits are way under what you're saying is required of them to be, so that means that there's pretty much only one way to resolve the issue and that is through government bailouts.

See I don't think that's entirely true. Once the situation hits a point of no return, government can remove the limitations on increases. They just need this initial buy-in.

But yes, under current legislation, they cannot increase to the tune I am showing, so yes, they will require an increase in the government grants they receive. As it is, they receive around R8,6bn in government grants every year. In fact it is their largest portion of revenue, by a long shot. Government will simply find a way to funnel more cash their way from the grants system.

The thing is, they don't care about the long term right now. All they want to people to comply. Once people comply, they have their buy-in, and they have everyone by the short and curlies. They can thereafter do as they please to keep the system operational. Or so they think.

BTW, if anyone thinks my numbers are wrong, please feel free to correct them. If anything, I have understated their expenditure by a long shot but I'm giving them credit in that department. I'm also giving them credit in the expense management department. There is no way that they will be able to curb expenditure increases to a rate in line with inflation, while increasing revenue...
 
DJ..., I might missed it, but did you take into account an increased number of road users year on year?
 
See I don't think that's entirely true. Once the situation hits a point of no return, government can remove the limitations on increases. They just need this initial buy-in.

But yes, under current legislation, they cannot increase to the tune I am showing, so yes, they will require an increase in the government grants they receive. As it is, they receive around R8,6bn in government grants every year. In fact it is their largest portion of revenue, by a long shot. Government will simply find a way to funnel more cash their way from the grants system.

The thing is, they don't care about the long term right now. All they want to people to comply. Once people comply, they have their buy-in, and they have everyone by the short and curlies. They can thereafter do as they please to keep the system operational. Or so they think.

BTW, if anyone thinks my numbers are wrong, please feel free to correct them. If anything, I have understated their expenditure by a long shot but I'm giving them credit in that department. I'm also giving them credit in the expense management department. There is no way that they will be able to curb expenditure increases to a rate in line with inflation, while increasing revenue...

I would rage more. Even SANRAL said the increases would never exceed the CPI % of what like 6% or so? Meaning the system has failed mathematically before even starting.

They trying to intimidate everyone into paying. DONT LET THEM!
 
DJ..., I might missed it, but did you take into account an increased number of road users year on year?

No, this is a flat rate in terms of both overall road users and expenditure, only taking into account PPI increases in expenditure, so the balance is in Sanral's favour in the scenarios I've posted. I've in fact given all the credit to Sanral, and it still doesn't make sense...
 
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BTW, if you want to do very crude calculations like these, then go ahead. Everyone can do these calculations. Nazir Ali shared with us the breakdown of payments, and we can therefore use these figures to determine their highest possible revenue point. You then multiply this by the weighted breakdown of Gauteng motor users and you then compare this with their debt obligations. It doesn't make sense even on that fundamental basis.

I've simply gone into a lot more detail with my calculations and scenarios, taking into account expenditure disclosed by Sanral...
 
DJ, I know you're not a fan of using the fuel levy, but have you calculated how much less it would have cost on average per year to fund these roads if the e-tolling infrastructure and contracts were never signed?
In other words, how much is the WHOLE collection system costing us?

(or if the roads were funded through the fiscus?)
 
Now that's a helluva calculation. Ha, not sure I have sufficient data to do this, but I'll look into it. Based on our current situation, the fuel levy is now the best option, even though the future of large motor infrastructure development will need to be based on MBUF principles. But correctly planned and executed...
 
thanks DJ!

I just want to spread the word on roughly how much has been wasted and what that could have bought in houses/education/infrastructure etc..

I realise that the tax payer has probably also been screwed out of a couple of R1B by the construction companies, but let's ignore that for the time being
 
We are being lied to at every step with this project, and if we accept it, then we are going to be forced to pay these increases every year, or government will have to subsidise them to the value of the difference each year - again, we pay. People need to understand that! And those opposed to paying these exorbitant rates need to ensure that others don't just bend over and accept it, because if a majority do, then the system might just work, and we'll all be stuffed, because of their apathy.

Of course we are. The whole e-toll project have been likened to the arm deal, lots of bribes and tenders in the name of service to the people but behind the scenes a select bunch got very very rich. It's been designed that way from the start and it takes no genius to see why the e-tolling system was chosen over the fuel levy. What's the cost per kilometer we paid for the highways btw?

See I don't think that's entirely true. Once the situation hits a point of no return, government can remove the limitations on increases. They just need this initial buy-in.

Exactly. Surprisingly people believe we won't be lied to in future when all we've had was lies thus far.
 
What exactly is the government's argument against Fuel Levies?

I mean, saying "but then the entire country pay for gauteng roads" is invalid? Surely a Fuel Levy is applied at the Petrol STATIONS (where you fill up your car) . Why can't Gauteng stations have the price of petrol/diesel be increased by say 10c? Wasn't it like this before with the coast having different prices? Actually isn't it still the case?
 
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