eToll facts from JPSA

[Jola]

Can I just rant for a second and state again that the monthly cap breaks the whole user pays principle.

Never thought of it like that, but yes, you are exactly right.

Of course, the user pays principle is total BS as it is not generally applied in other areas.

The prime example, of course, being Nkandla, but this is only one example out of thousands.

 

[Tns]

dont pay. dont get etagged, simple

 

[j4ck455]

Too late, House has left the building... well he would like use to think that. He still lurks these corridors. People like him can't help themselves, their true nature takes over.

You see that suspicious old toppie using the revolving glass door as if it's a merry-go-round, that's him leaving and returning, he is secretly spying on everyone and looking to see if their cars have an etag and tracer`ing the owners that don't to send them threatening emails and SMSes.

 

[Next Thing]

Well I don't like or agree with this e-toll crap but as someone who has a family including kids to feed and provide for I need to manage my budget and the risks to it.

What I expect is that sometime down the line they will pick for example 1% of the top usage people and as a trial case apply their home grown laws to them as trial cases to set a legal precident. Once that is set then either everyone is ****ed or everyone is the smiling. Just make sure that if you are in the top 1% you have the finances to secure decent legal representation to ensure a legal win.

My problem with just not paying is this:

1. I cant count on not being in the top 1%
2. I know my own usage of the roads will hit the cap , just on virtue of the number of trips I make around the Gauteng Region

From my family budget pov I dont know htf I will afford not having the use of the cap or being able to afford the legal fees to fight this in court. Also working in the financial environments I have to maintain a squeaky clean criminal and debt record otherwise I may as well pack my bags and find another profession.

I think that government will make a point of trying to force etolling and not just let it collapse. They have invested to much in it to just let it collapse initially. The only way we can get rid of this is to VOTE and get the ****ers out of government.

So it all comes down to risk management. Single guys with no responsibilities can maybe afford to take the risk. Not sure if I can.
As much as I hate the thought of paying ETOLL crap, I may not have the choice at the end of the day.

 

[MrGray]

Well I don't like or agree with this e-toll crap but as someone who has a family including kids to feed and provide for I need to manage my budget and the risks to it.

In your position I would probably do the same BUT just remember the possible risk of complying (which means agreeing to their contract) is that:

- they can raise the cap arbitrarily
- you have no effective recourse in disputes as their judgement is final
- the contract basically subverts CPA protections

 

[Next Thing]

In your position I would probably do the same BUT just remember the possible risk of complying (which means agreeing to their contract) is that:

- they can raise the cap arbitrarily
- you have no effective recourse in disputes as their judgement is final
- the contract basically subverts CPA protections

Each person needs to weigh up their own risks and decide for themselves.

 

[Prosecutor]

Each person needs to weigh up their own risks and decide for themselves.

I agree with your sentiment. People really need to take their own circumstances into consideration when deciding on boycotting the toll project.

Whether I agree or not agree with the system is totally irrelevant, but I am with you that government will make a point to ensure fees are collected.

Due to my own profession I cannot afford to end up on the other side of the table and thus had to go the route or registering.

 

[za1]

Well I don't like or agree with this e-toll crap but as someone who has a family including kids to feed and provide for I need to manage my budget and the risks to it.

What I expect is that sometime down the line they will pick for example 1% of the top usage people and as a trial case apply their home grown laws to them as trial cases to set a legal precident. Once that is set then either everyone is ****ed or everyone is the smiling. Just make sure that if you are in the top 1% you have the finances to secure decent legal representation to ensure a legal win.

My problem with just not paying is this:

1. I cant count on not being in the top 1%
2. I know my own usage of the roads will hit the cap , just on virtue of the number of trips I make around the Gauteng Region

From my family budget pov I dont know htf I will afford not having the use of the cap or being able to afford the legal fees to fight this in court. Also working in the financial environments I have to maintain a squeaky clean criminal and debt record otherwise I may as well pack my bags and find another profession.

I think that government will make a point of trying to force etolling and not just let it collapse. They have invested to much in it to just let it collapse initially. The only way we can get rid of this is to VOTE and get the ****ers out of government.

So it all comes down to risk management. Single guys with no responsibilities can maybe afford to take the risk. Not sure if I can.
As much as I hate the thought of paying ETOLL crap, I may not have the choice at the end of the day.

You do have a choice, avoid the highway, its more scenic on the back routes anyhow.
I commute daily between Midrand, Sandton, Edenvale and haven't been through a single toll gate yet including quite a few trips to Centurion.

 

[LetsDance]

The best mass action is not to use the toll roads at all, but business must stand behind its employees. No coming in to work. Stock up on food etc and then Gauteng goes on a weeks strike. Too much effort? Yeah.

 

[Next Thing]

Lol. Fat chance of me only using backroads. I have no intention of me taking another 2 hours out my day to sit in traffic. Time i can spend with my family

 

[BBSA]

Lol. Fat chance of me only using backroads. I have no intention of me taking another 2 hours out my day to sit in traffic. Time i can spend with my family

+1

Use the highways, they are actually nice. The more people using them and not paying, the quicker the system is going to collapse.

 

[Jola]

I have not been past an e-toll gantry since the tolling started, fortunately I can time my trips and use other (not really alternative) roads.

Planning on continuing to do this, but of course it will become more onerous as time goes on.