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- Thread starter Skeptik
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So where is ur home?
Were ever I decide to go at that given point in my life. Which ever suits me better.
Which currently means I have no real home.Were ever I decide to go at that given point in my life. Which ever suits me better.
Nomad?
Nanfeishen
Executive Member
Actually the power to affect change must now come from the people, as the state has failed to do so.
It is up to the people to change things from the grassroots up, not from the top down.
Those that choose the easier life, should do so and enjoy it, but at least refrain from dissing those, who choose to stay and cope with the challenges.
On the other hand, why would i give up my entire life, by trying to cope in a much more difficult environment, when i can stay and have a much easier life in S.A.?
Personally I would have a much harder life overseas, than here. I would struggle financially, struggle to find work, lower my standard of living, and not be able to have the freedom of movement and security i have here.
I have only one worry here, crime, and that is all, overseas, i would have a heap of worries.
Crime i can adjust to and live with.
As some one said:
Skeptik
Banned
Good point. Loyalty to God & Country used to be the words, but now loyalty is gone from jobs so why not country. You're just a bum on a seat.
My intention was never to diss anyone who chooses to stay. I was merely asking why people people would choose a much harder life compared to an easier one.
Standard of living I guess you are referring to the fact that you would have to give up a big house and nice car. I would choose the smaller house for a safer environment. Overseas the public transport is also fantastic which makes a car not as essential as here in SA.
I don't see what you mean by freedom of movement and security. From what I know in most of the first world countries you are free to move were ever you want in side the country and then in European if you have an eu passport your free to move and live inside all 25 member states.
On the work available here that depends on the colour of your skin. If your white and just out of university with no experience, you really struggle to find work cause of the rampant aa/bee.
On crime I certainly don't agree. Yes there is crime overseas but it's no close to the level of crime here. Statistically you have a much higher chance to get murder here than in any of the first world countries.
If I were 35 years old and al ready established in a job here it might be a much harder decision to give up the life here. I would probably still do it but I can't see why you would stay here if your straight out of varsity.
And yeah the country might but growing but it's not a growing at a fast enough for me to be willing to put up with the growing pains. Also add in the fact that the Eskom crisis will slow down the growth.
Nanfeishen
Executive Member
An average 3 bedroom suburban house, not big, a 12 year old 4x4, and a small 2 year old corsa, not exactly a big house and a nice car, BUT....WRT the house and cars, they are all payed for, i dont owe 1 cent on any.
I cant stand public transport, in fact i avoid the "masses" wherever possible, and prefer the freedom of movement of my own vehicles, as well as the enjoyment of driving.
Being self-employed, I am fortunate, that my work allows/affords me a number of free hours each day, the security i speak of is financial security, in that i have no debt, my bills range from rates, food, and 1 credit card which drifts into maybe 2 - 3k per month.
I could not match the life i have here, the hours worked, anywhere else, as i would have to find a second income, and at 43, i am not prepared to work for anybody else, been there, done that, all i found was that they get richer, and i remain the kippy working for them.
I dont deny that in the least, however, IMHO, many youngsters coming out of varsity, are also expecting a lot, or are not prepared to start low and work up, many expect to start mid-way and get good salaries from day one, with no work experience, only qualifications.
Adversity is either a challenge or a hinderance, it is up to the individual to choose which is which.
That is of course your choice, but then anything that grows strong takes time.
AFAIK cars are cheaper overseas. Secondly while houses are usually more expensive, not always - you can still get around that by often building your own instead of buying. The earnings however are much higher abroad well probably for most professions.
Remember that while SA does have higher murder rates, the overall crime rate per capita in Australia and the UK is higher than SA's.
yeah, and the tooth fairy has been seen driving on the M1 highway.
In Australia, its a crime to litter and is prosecutable. Speeding is a Crime, so is illegal parking. In SA, its a misdemeanor and is not recorded on police records.
Put traffic violations AND police crimes in ONE boat and then compare again.
dlk001
Executive Member
True, I've met many people who trash their jobs or past employers. I'd rather move and be happy in my new job than trash my past employers.
Interestingly, my previous Director managed out all the so called "negative people" who trashed the company for discrimination. While I thought this was harsh, I could understand his reasoning.
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Except the government is supposed to work for YOU, while YOU work for the company. The government's responsible to you while you're responsible towards the company. If you don't do you job they fire you, so I guess we should fire the government then?
All these politicians with their cocky attitudes, its not a phenomenon common to SA though, its worldwide. The problem is that THEY make the rules and those are UNJUST. When an employee buggers around at work and isn't productive he's warned and if he doesn't improve they let him go. On the other hand politcians protect each other in a one party regime like ours while they do trash each other during elections in genuine democracies these trashings are all ego driven and only done to get the job of the other guy.
Imagine running a company and having to put up with employees with illusions of grandeur with egos the sizes of the country's deficit.
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Break it down into the specifics too, and Aus and UK still come out ahead in burglaries and car thefts, to name two.
In many cases you will find the lower level jobs at most companies have been reserved for AA/BEE candidates so they can't start at that level even if they wanted. Go and take a look at the advertisements on career junction,ect a bit.
What then happens is they don't qualify for the lower positions and they don't have the experience for the positions they could apply for. In the end this causes major anxiety and anger among them and that's why the figures on carte blanche the other weekend indicated that the majority of people leaving aren't you 40+ people but rather the 25-35 year olds.
I can understand you not wanting to start over at 43.
And Claymore on crime being higher in the UK and Aus I am not expert but I am willing to bet it has to do with people report criming and getting actually convictions. a Lot of crime here doesn't get report because the people have given up on the police actually being able to catch and prosecute the offenders.
And even if they have more robberies and burglaries if I have choose between the 2 I would rather take the lesser crimes compared to given up my life.
BTW. It would be helpful if you actually post sources so we can check for ourself's.
I cannot believe those stats - I personally know 7 poeple whose cars have been stolen in the past year or two - and I don't know 1000 people. But that is statistics for you. I guess the reason why SA's number is so low is because: only a small percentage of us have cars in the 1'st place and maybe a lot of the cars stolen does not get reported because they were stolen int the 1'st place. Having visited Australia last year and checking out the neighberhoods, I was amazed to see how many people left their car windows open whilst being parked in the street. Somhow I don't think this is comparing apples with apples...
I can go on about how many ppl get killed for their car in SA vs other countries but we all know that. Keep in mind that in most 1'st world countries ppl don't have a worry about leaving their cars parked in the street - over here insurance companies think twice about covering you if that is the case - even if you live in a boomed off security estate. And if you compare the murder rate - it gets quite shocking - SA is 4th with 22000 murders vs aus's 304. Wow - just saw - that excludes murder by firearm - SA : 32000 and Aus 59!
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Fudzy
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I think that list would look quite different if those places weren't such nanny states.