Extraterrestrial life

[DirkvT]

I don't know who you are on Facebook.

And, nobody forces me to accept anything really. Nor would I simply do so because you, some random stranger, tell me too. If they do suddenly appear when a guy boosts himself into outer space with a very fast rocket engine, then cool...I will eat my hat.
Until then, my ideas don't change.

"Until then, my ideas don't change"

So then, you think you know everything there is to know about the mechanics of the world and universe around you, because you have decided, "I know it all; my knowledge base is optimally attuned and needs no further upgrades"
Are you being serious?
Are you by any chance highly religious? Because i then could understand.
But here you are unwilling to look at evidence in front of your face, and willfully adopting a "head in the sand" attitude?
That's called willful ignorance.
That's not very scientific.
Science makes advances all the time. Previous theories are disproven and new ones adopted based on the scientific method.
And our current science relating to understanding ufo phenomenon has barely even lifted off the tarmac.
We have not even scratched the surface.

Do you see the extreme shortcomings of your stance?

 

[DirkvT]

You, my man, are smoking some good stuff...
Your photos of grains of sugar or salt do not impress me. I can also take photos such as those.

"Photos of grains os sugar and salt"
So you're assuming i'm a fraud?
Okay then, why don't you do an experiment for the sake of science for us : how about you take some photos of sugar, upload them, and let's do some side-by-side comparisons and see if the resemblance matches, shall we?
I'm willing to bet they won't even come close.
Prove me wrong

 

[porchrat]

"Until then, my ideas don't change"

So then, you think you know everything there is to know about the mechanics of the world and universe around you, because you have decided, "I know it all; my knowledge base is optimally attuned and needs no further upgrades"
Are you being serious?
Are you by any chance highly religious? Because i then could understand.
But here you are unwilling to look at evidence in front of your face, and willfully adopting a "head in the sand" attitude?
That's called willful ignorance.
That's not very scientific.
Science makes advances all the time. Previous theories are disproven and new ones adopted based on the scientific method.
And our current science relating to understanding ufo phenomenon has barely even lifted off the tarmac.
We have not even scratched the surface.

Do you see the extreme shortcomings of your stance?

Seems to me he's saying he doesn't accept a claim without reliable evidence. Your anecdotal experience is not reliable evidence. (I would not be surprised if you deny this point, I get the impression from your input into this thread so far that your understanding of what constitutes the scientific method is somewhat inaccurate)

It's pretty much the exact opposite of the way religion operates and it is very scientific.

That you don't realise that immediately is a red flag.

You're the one talking about how your investigations are "grounded in spiritual and consciousness growth" and other weird nebulous word salads. Not at all scientific.

 

[DirkvT]

You cannot reject electromagnetic spectrum theory and then use its terminology to claim to be able to communicate with something by "tuning into different frequency".

Do you know anything about the science of human brainwaves?
There is alpha, beta, theta, delta, gamma, fast gamma. You are literally accessing a different realm depending upon which you are in.
Are you saying there is no difference between them? Then how do you explain the dream state vs conscious beta?
Apparently there is a whole bunch of more highly qualified people than you that wrote an 800 page book about it :

https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-UFOs-Science-Consciousness-Intelligence/dp/1721088652

 

[porchrat]

"Photos of grains os sugar and salt"
So you're assuming i'm a fraud?
Okay then, why don't you do an experiment for the sake of science for us : how about you take some photos of sugar, upload them, and let's do some side-by-side comparisons and see if the resemblance matches, shall we?
I'm willing to bet they won't even come close.
Prove me wrong

You seem sincere. I imagine you're not a fraud in the malicious sense. You probably genuinely believe the things you're saying. You're likely confused. Maybe under a lot of stress. Or you're reading a lot of strange sites that are influencing what you believe you experience.

 

[DirkvT]

Seems to me he's saying he doesn't accept a claim without reliable evidence. Your anecdotal experience is not reliable evidence. (I would not be surprised if you deny this point, I get the impression from your input into this thread so far that your understanding of what constitutes the scientific method is somewhat inaccurate)

It's pretty much the exact opposite of the way religion operates and it is very scientific.

That you don't realise that immediately is a red flag.

You're the one talking about how your investigations are "grounded in spiritual and consciousness growth" and other weird nebulous word salads. Not at all scientific.

You are literally the one who has his head in the sand and hands over his eyes refusing to look at new research.
There's loads of research into the science of human consciousness - but - this is all woowoo in your subjective opinion and not worth investigating.
If you were in charge of human science, we'd still be living in caves right now.
And - i'm not the only one who has achieved ufo visitation from communication through meditative channels.
Here - go tell these 45 000 people in this group that they're all whackos. Good luck!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/205824492783376

 

[DirkvT]

You seem sincere. I imagine you're not a fraud in the malicious sense. You probably genuinely believe the things you're saying. You're likely confused. Maybe under a lot of stress. Or you're reading a lot of strange sites that are influencing what you believe you experience.

These are literally photos of objects i have caught in the sky. You literally cannot explain that away. Still waiting on your sugar photos

 

[porchrat]

You are literally the one who has his head in the sand and hands over his eyes refusing to look at new research.
There's loads of research into the science of human consciousness - but - this is all woowoo in your subjective opinion and not worth investigating.
If you were in charge of human science, we'd still be living in caves right now.
And - i'm not the only one who has achieved ufo visitation from communication through meditative channels.
Here - go tell these 45 000 people in this group that they're all whackos. Good luck!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/205824492783376

Yea I figured you'd object to my saying it's not scientific

Facebook groups are not scientific research.

I get that your anecdotal experience isn't the only one. They're still anecdotal and so are still unreliable. You could have a million of them and it wouldn't make a difference. You have no formal methodology, no structure to the investigation etc.

Nothing.

It's not scientific. You may think it is, but that's stemming more from your misunderstanding of what that word means than anything else.

 

[porchrat]

These are literally photos of objects i have caught in the sky. You literally cannot explain that away. Still waiting on your sugar photos

I understand that you're saying they're photos of things in the sky. On that we agree.

Our own minds can play many tricks on us. It's part of why anecdotal evidence is the weakest form of evidence in a scientific setting.

 

[DirkvT]

You seem sincere. I imagine you're not a fraud in the malicious sense. You probably genuinely believe the things you're saying. You're likely confused. Maybe under a lot of stress. Or you're reading a lot of strange sites that are influencing what you believe you experience.

I understand that you're saying they're photos of things in the sky. On that we agree.

Our own minds can play many tricks on us. It's part of why anecdotal evidence is the weakest form of evidence in a scientific setting.

So are you saying my camera is hallucinating?

 

[porchrat]

So are you saying my camera is hallucinating?

No. Your camera captures what you point it at. It's a simple device. I'm saying it's possible you are.

I think you recall photographing things in the sky. That doesn't mean that's what happened and we have no reliable way of knowing.

Again, this is why anecdotal evidence is not considered very powerful.

 

[Geoff.D]

Do you know anything about the science of human brainwaves?
There is alpha, beta, theta, delta, gamma, fast gamma. You are literally accessing a different realm depending upon which you are in.
Are you saying there is no difference between them? Then how do you explain the dream state vs conscious beta?
Apparently there is a whole bunch of more highly qualified people than you that wrote an 800 page book about it :

https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-UFOs-Science-Consciousness-Intelligence/dp/1721088652

Made a simple statement about an inconsistency in your statement. Your views and theories are fine with me, just remain consistent. I am not in the business of trying to ridicule anyone for what they believe in. And the fact that you retaliate with a personal attack is enough for me to simply ignore you in future. You have no idea of what i know or don't know about human brainwaves.

 

[DirkvT]

No. Your camera captures what you point it at. It's a simple device. I'm saying it's possible you are.

I think you recall photographing things in the sky. That doesn't mean that's what happened and we have no reliable way of knowing.

Again, this is why anecdotal evidence is not considered very powerful.

If I see something in the sky, then grab my camera and take photos and my camera also picks up the objects, that is proof that i'm not hallucinating.
Cameras can't hallucinate.
So how would i be, then?
The camera proves that what i see in the sky was actually there

 

[DirkvT]

No. Your camera captures what you point it at. It's a simple device. I'm saying it's possible you are.

I think you recall photographing things in the sky. That doesn't mean that's what happened and we have no reliable way of knowing.

Again, this is why anecdotal evidence is not considered very powerful.

I have an idea - why don't you get my photos' metadata analyzed for authenticity? (if you think i'm some kind of fake)

 

[porchrat]

If I see something in the sky, then grab my camera and take photos and my camera also picks up the objects, that is proof that i'm not hallucinating.
Cameras can't hallucinate.
So how would i be, then?
The camera proves that what i see in the sky was actually there

You've misunderstood my post.

I'd suggest you read it through again slowly.

I've explicitly stated that your camera cannot hallucinate yet you seem to respond to that point as though I've made it.

I have an idea - why don't you get my photos' metadata analyzed for authenticity? (if you think i'm some kind of fake)

I'm under no obligation to disprove your claims. I don't really care about your claims because they have nothing reliable backing them.

You've made a claim. You prove it. Until such time your claims can be simply dismissed.

You speak of science. Well welcome to how science works. You make a claim, you need to provide reliable evidence to support that claim.

 

[DirkvT]

You've misunderstood my post.

I'd suggest you read it through again slowly.

I've explicitly stated that your camera cannot hallucinate yet you seem to respond to that point as though I've made it.


I'm under no obligation to disprove your claims. I don't really care about your claims because they have nothing reliable backing them.

You've made a claim. You prove it. Until such time your claims can be simply dismissed.

You speak of science. Well welcome to how science works. You make a claim, you need to provide reliable evidence to support that claim.

Last time i checked, photographs are acceptable form of evidence. If nobody can identify the objects i photographed, then they remain 'ufo' until proven otherwise.
Coupled with the fact that these objects arrived in the skies surrounding my house after ce-5 protocols, i don't believe that to be coincidence. Coincidences cannot be proven mathematically, statistically, etc.
So, what else can they be?
Are these weather balloons? Drones?
Okay then, show me exactly which make and model.
Until then, they remain unidentified

 

[s0lar]

@DirkvT mybb are plaat mense. I wouldn’t waste my breath around these here parts.

 

[porchrat]

Last time i checked, photographs are acceptable form of evidence. If nobody can identify the objects i photographed, then they remain 'ufo' until proven otherwise.
Coupled with the fact that these objects arrived in the skies surrounding my house after ce-5 protocols, i don't believe that to be coincidence. Coincidences cannot be proven mathematically, statistically, etc.
So, what else can they be?
Are these weather balloons? Drones?
Okay then, show me exactly which make and model.
Until then, they remain unifentified

You really should go back and reread that post you've misunderstood. I've already addressed this.

 

[newklear]

Do you know anything about the science of human brainwaves?
There is alpha, beta, theta, delta, gamma, fast gamma. You are literally accessing a different realm depending upon which you are in.
Are you saying there is no difference between them? Then how do you explain the dream state vs conscious beta?
Apparently there is a whole bunch of more highly qualified people than you that wrote an 800 page book about it :

https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-UFOs-Science-Consciousness-Intelligence/dp/1721088652

Same when ingesting DMT, you are altering the electrical activity in your brain, less alpha waves and a short-lived increase in theta waves and is a putative neurotransmitter. With enough DMT you can experience a breakthrough and talk directly with the ET's, Spirit's and God.

Could the act of CE5 meditation cause more DMT to be released by the Pineal gland which gives you similar sensations ?
Care to share the CE5 protocols ?

 

[DirkvT]

You really should go back and reread that post you've misunderstood. I've already addressed this.

Same when ingesting DMT, you are altering the electrical activity in your brain, less alpha waves and a short-lived increase in theta waves and is a putative neurotransmitter. With enough DMT you can experience a breakthrough and talk directly with the ET's, Spirit's and God.

Could the act of CE5 meditation cause more DMT to be released by the Pineal gland which gives you similar sensations ?
Care to share the CE5 protocols ?

Wow dude, what a great response. Thank-you i appreciate it. Absolutely, many people report meeting the Machine elvs on a dmt trip; very common report among dmt users. I don't think ce-5 itself releases dmt - it is a very chilled guided meditation which takes on you an expansive journey (no drugs involved). It's just a half hour track; i just sit in my garden with headphones on and 'zone in'. At one point he says "we show them our exact location" and you need to memorize what it looks like zooming in on your exact location from space with google earth (before doing the meditation), down to your house (from an aerial view). This is called 'coherent thought sequencing' and is a key aspect to it. You just have to zone in intently and visualize everything he says, powerfully.
This is the meditation track :
edit : You must have no fear within you whatsoever. You cannot be scared or have any negative feelings about what may happen. You must be sincere in your request for them to visit you - all grounded in love - and if you have any bad emotions associated with this undertaking then they will know that and likely not visit at all until you are 'ready'