F1 2013 thread

[Glue]

Yea i keep hearing that redbull is so far ahead of everyone but actually vettel is so far ahead of everyone, he makes a good car the best car by a mile. Mark webber would not be world champion with the redbull 4 years in a row so this BS that the redbull is just the bes car and anyone could do well is rubbish.

You are 100% correct about vettel, he is a power house and without him redbull would not be as good as they are.

Well said and 100% correct.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Yea i keep hearing that redbull is so far ahead of everyone but actually vettel is so far ahead of everyone, he makes a good car the best car by a mile. Mark webber would not be world champion with the redbull 4 years in a row so this BS that the redbull is just the bes car and anyone could do well is rubbish.

You are 100% correct about vettel, he is a power house and without him redbull would not be as good as they are.

I think what you're trying to say is that he's better than Webber. I can agree with that... but Hamilton, Alonso and Raikkonen? Are those three just that rubbish that they can't touch Vettel? Or is Adrian Newey's car simply more superior than the rest? I doubt any sane person could argue that the RB9 is not the best car on the track.

Put your emotions aside and think about it. Nobody is saying Vettel isn't one of the best drivers on the track, but nobody will ever really know given the other complex variables out there.

Was Alonso in a Renault that much better than Schumi? Was Schumi in a Merc suddenly a rubbish driver or just too old? Or was his car just rubbish compared with the Redbull for example?

 

[Willie Trombone]

http://www.f1zone.net/news/alonso-visits-hospital-as-a-precaution/21007/

Ouch!

Fernando Alonso has been taken to hospital for precautionary checks on his back after running over kerbs at high speed during the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

Alonso was exiting the pit lane when he encountered the Toro Rosso of Jean-Eric Vergne.

The Spaniard bounced over the kerbs at 150mph, with the impact so severe that it triggered an alarm in the car that means drivers must go to the medical centre as a precaution.

The impact was recorded as 25g.

It is a ‘normal precautionary check requested by the FIA,’ said a Ferrari spokesman.

Alonso fulfilled media duties after the race, which he finished in fifth place.

“I am happy to have brought home points for the team in a race that was always going to be tough, on what has been a very difficult weekend for us,” he said.

“Given the gap to the top four, I certainly couldn’t have done more. Starting from further back, we knew we would find ourselves in traffic, therefore having done well at the start, I tried to overtake as much as possible.”

“When we saw that we were always behind another car, it became impossible to think in terms of a single stop and it was clearly better to switch to two and attack. As the Mediums were holding up quite well, we thought we’d use the Softs for a short stint to try and do a series of quick laps.”

 

[SirFooK'nG]

I think what you're trying to say is that he's better than Webber. I can agree with that... but Hamilton, Alonso and Raikkonen? Are those three just that rubbish that they can't touch Vettel? Or is Adrian Newey's car simply more superior than the rest? I doubt any sane person could argue that the RB9 is not the best car on the track.

Put your emotions aside and think about it. Nobody is saying Vettel isn't one of the best drivers on the track, but nobody will ever really know given the other complex variables out there.

Was Alonso in a Renault that much better than Schumi? Was Schumi in a Merc suddenly a rubbish driver or just too old? Or was his car just rubbish compared with the Redbull for example?

Schumi is still good, but past his prime. Can I honestly say that Vettel is better than Kimi, Alonso or Hamilton. I genuinely think at this point in his career yes. Dislike him, tolerate him or like him, the man is damn good. Would he keep up to a RB if he were in the Lotus or Mercedes... Not at the moment, but I think with his touch and feel for driving he could easily get to it with development input. The man does not go and investigate every aspect of what goes into his car for nothing. That is what impresses, he wants to understand everything within his team and car. Hell ... Kimi wont even do the pre-practice track walks. That in itself tells a lot about a drivers temperament and dedication to his sport. I respect Vettel for what he is capable of.

 

[killadoob]

I think what you're trying to say is that he's better than Webber. I can agree with that... but Hamilton, Alonso and Raikkonen? Are those three just that rubbish that they can't touch Vettel? Or is Adrian Newey's car simply more superior than the rest? I doubt any sane person could argue that the RB9 is not the best car on the track.

Put your emotions aside and think about it. Nobody is saying Vettel isn't one of the best drivers on the track, but nobody will ever really know given the other complex variables out there.

Was Alonso in a Renault that much better than Schumi? Was Schumi in a Merc suddenly a rubbish driver or just too old? Or was his car just rubbish compared with the Redbull for example?

I think you need to check your emotions, i said he is so far ahead of everyone yes because he has taken a good car and made it the best which means he is miles ahead of anyone else(are you disputing that he is a country mile ahead of everyone else?). He doesn't just get into the redbull and his input helps immensely.

Did i say everyone else sucks?

When hamilton had the best car in f1 he needed an absolutely incredible situation to beat massa. He was second the championship with 3 corners to go. He should have stomped on everyone and won that championship easily with the car mclaren gave him.

 

[killadoob]

I think what you're trying to say is that he's better than Webber. I can agree with that... but Hamilton, Alonso and Raikkonen? Are those three just that rubbish that they can't touch Vettel? Or is Adrian Newey's car simply more superior than the rest? I doubt any sane person could argue that the RB9 is not the best car on the track.

Put your emotions aside and think about it. Nobody is saying Vettel isn't one of the best drivers on the track, but nobody will ever really know given the other complex variables out there.

Was Alonso in a Renault that much better than Schumi? Was Schumi in a Merc suddenly a rubbish driver or just too old? Or was his car just rubbish compared with the Redbull for example?

I think you need to check your emotions, i said he is so far ahead of everyone yes because he has taken a good car and made the best which means he is miles ahead of anyone else.

Did i say everyone else sucks?

 

[craigdoepie]

I think Vettel is good as everyone has stated and I actually like him. Vettel is brilliant when he is infront, but when he needs to overtake he is a bit sluggish. And imho that's one aspect he can improve on. With saying that, Hamilton and Alonso are quite good at overtaking.

Maybe its the car setup, maybe its the driver. But driver and car combination, Vettel and Red Bull are miles ahead of everyone at the moment.

Conclusion: You will never know who is better than who, unless you put them in the same car and ask them to race each other.

 

[Enzo Matrix]

Hamilton and maybe Alonso could match or beat Vettel in the same car, thats all u need to know

 

[Wall]

are there any new regulations for 2014?

 

[killadoob]

I think Vettel is good as everyone has stated and I actually like him. Vettel is brilliant when he is infront, but when he needs to overtake he is a bit sluggish. And imho that's one aspect he can improve on. With saying that, Hamilton and Alonso are quite good at overtaking.

Maybe its the car setup, maybe its the driver. But driver and car combination, Vettel and Red Bull are miles ahead of everyone at the moment.

Conclusion: You will never know who is better than who, unless you put them in the same car and ask them to race each other.

I'm sorry if i offend you but you obviously don't watch f1. I cannot believe you said that. Wow anyone who watches f1 knows that isn't true.

Your other comments are 100% correct though, makes me wonder why you would make the statement about overtaking and vettel.

 

[HapticSimian]

are there any new regulations for 2014?

Major changes, yes. Biggest one being a change from N/A 2.4l V8s to turbocharged 1.6l V6s. There's also going to be a much bigger focus on KERS.

Could cause some interesting shake-ups, as rule-changes often do, but the new cars are going to sound like Roombas.

 

[BigAl-sa]

Hamilton and maybe Alonso could match or beat Vettel in the same car, thats all u need to know

Can't happen, two drivers racing means two cars. Impossible for two cars to be identical no matter how hard you try. The race engineers set up the cars to suit the drivers.

Put Vettel and Hamilton in Marussias set up by the Marussia team maybe interesting, but meaningless as Marussia could never afford to pay them even for one drive.

 

[killadoob]

Can't happen, two drivers racing means two cars. Impossible for two cars to be identical no matter how hard you try. The race engineers set up the cars to suit the drivers.

Put Vettel and Hamilton in Marussias set up by the Marussia team maybe interesting, but meaningless as Marussia could never afford to pay them even for one drive.

Even if vettel and hamilton did it for free they would still end up at the back of the field . Sure a driver makes a difference but he isn't magical

Both redbulls are identical when they are produced, their setups vary yes for obvious reason but the core of the care if i can say core of the car remains identical.

 

[Willie Trombone]

I think you need to check your emotions, i said he is so far ahead of everyone yes because he has taken a good car and made the best which means he is miles ahead of anyone else.

...i keep hearing that redbull is so far ahead of everyone but actually vettel is so far ahead of everyone

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Did i say everyone else sucks?

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You are 100% correct about vettel, he is a power house and without him redbull would not be as good as they are.

I think Redbull would look pretty darn slick with either Alonso, Kimi or the Ham at the wheel... perhaps even Grosjean.

 

[Willie Trombone]

How many people do you know of who 'stomped over everyone and won the championship easily' in their second year? Naah mate, I think that's stretching it a bit.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Even if vettel and hamilton did it for free they would still end up at the back of the field . Sure a driver makes a difference but he isn't magical

+1

Both redbulls are identical when they are produced, their setups vary yes for obvious reason but the core of the care if i can say core of the car remains identical.

Very often a car suits a person's driving style - short wheel base vs long, more grunt in the engine vs more downforce, less fussy tyres, etc. etc.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Major changes, yes. Biggest one being a change from N/A 2.4l V8s to turbocharged 1.6l V6s. There's also going to be a much bigger focus on KERS.

Could cause some interesting shake-ups, as rule-changes often do, but the new cars are going to sound like Roombas.

I'm hoping focus on the engine is going to shake the field up a bit. It was fun to watch the Saubers able to keep the merc behind them on the longer straights.

 

[Willie Trombone]

I'm sorry if i offend you but you obviously don't watch f1. I cannot believe you said that. Wow anyone who watches f1 knows that isn't true.

Your other comments are 100% correct though, makes me wonder why you would make the statement about overtaking and vettel.

Don't worry Killa, it's the car that doesn't suit running in dirty air (like the rest). Qualifying in front and a good start have been Vettel's winning formula. Cool air for those Pirellis goes a long way.

 

[craigdoepie]

I'm sorry if i offend you but you obviously don't watch f1. I cannot believe you said that. Wow anyone who watches f1 knows that isn't true.

Your other comments are 100% correct though, makes me wonder why you would make the statement about overtaking and vettel.

No offence taken, I am not going to claim to be the F1 maestro, but I feel that Alonso and Hamilton (more so Hamilton) are more aggresive drivers when it comes to overtaking.

But I will definitely start watching closer and rectify my point if need be

 

[Glue]

Most if not all F1 drivers can drive fast, the difference comes by doing it lap after lap after lap.
On my F1 app it can be checked and I have that Vettel is fast lap after lap and each lap is constantly the same, other drivers can do some fast laps but not the whole race.
Same reason why Shumi was best of his time, unfair to expect him to still be fast as age/fitness and reactions are all linked together.

Vettel is the best no argument, the closest drivers would be Kimi(also getting old now) and Alonso.
Vettel will definitely be recorded in history as the best F1 driver ever.