F1 2013 thread

[killadoob]

No offence taken, I am not going to claim to be the F1 maestro, but I feel that Alonso and Hamilton (more so Hamilton) are more aggresive drivers when it comes to overtaking.

But I will definitely start watching closer and rectify my point if need be

No dude i never intended to say people are f1 maestro's and you are not, i said what i said because your other comments suggest you are a maestro and it surprized me you said something vettel proved long ago was far from the truth. I have seen a number of gp's this season where vettel has over taken, don't you recall the first half of the season? India was case in point, we never saw much of it but he sliced his way through the field like they were driving tractors.

I know many of the people who used to claim he can't over take have not been saying that anymore because he has proven time and again that it's a false statement. So craig i think you know plenty about F1 my comment as mentioned was not intended to offend or make you feel like i think you know nothing because your post was spot on but your vettel comment shocked me a little considering how good the rest of the post was. He has proven time and again he can overtake and has pulled off some of the best over taking moves i have ever seen.

 

[killadoob]

Alonso i don't believe is in the same class, all he does is moan about the car and says things like he wants a redbull for christmas, not the kind of person you want in a team. Remember he was the idiot who chose to move to renault because a rookie was owning him in the same car. I also used to think hamilton only did so well because mclaren were the best but i always said he needed a season driving a tractor to really bring out the champion and he has gone through what every f1 driver has had to go through. I can't think of a f1 driver that has landed a ride in the best car and hamilton needed to know what it's like driving a crap car to bring out the best. When it happened he acted like a child, crashed into everyone and had a terrible season but it made him a better person and a better driver. I used to dislike him but i really like the ham now.

He is no longer a cry baby and arrogant because of that one season he has become down to earth and thankful for the car he gets given. He doesn't cry like he did when he had his first season in a tractor that was almost certain to crash into someone. I think rosburg and hamilton are as good as vettel, alonso is a good driver but his arrogance and complaining is why he can't make ferrari a top team. Now he has kimi as a team mate, i wonder if he will cry that ferrari favour kimi when kimi shows him how to drive a ferrari . Grosjean is a world champion and i hope lotus give him the car to prove it.

O regarding being on pole and winning from the front how many front row lock outs did the mercedes have, 7 poles in a row if i recall, not sure how many lock outs. How many wins did that bring? Hamilton sadly is not suited to the current f1 format. His driving style destroys his tires and i hope they give them proper tires, bring back refueling and force at least two pitstops, one for refueling and one to change tires. No refueling and changing tires. One or the other. So one stop for fuel and one for tires. Then we can see them pushing to the limit and the ham will show his class.

 

[killadoob]

Excuse the triple post i just don't want walls of text, i could care less if i have 1 post or 1 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Vettel read the first part because that shows you that vettel is arguably the greatest f1 talent ever. I will always maintain though that senna is the greatest f1 driver of all time and nothing vettel does will change that.

This is funny though.

Vettel worked his way up to third, behind Lewis Hamilton and Red Bull Racing's Mark Webber, and seemed to be on course for not only his but also Toro Rosso's maiden podium finish. However, Vettel crashed into Webber under safety car conditions taking them both out of the race and prompting Webber to say to ITV reporter Louise Goodman "It's kids isn't it... kids with not enough experience – you do a good job and then they **** it all up." Webber also specifically criticized Lewis Hamilton's erratic behaviour in contributing to the accident, describing his antics behind the safety car as '****'."

vettel then joins redbull and the kid shows the man how to drive a f1 car while hamilton wins a title . Damn kids who can drive better than men hahaha. Webber got owned by a kid in the same car. webber has never done a good job at redbull, why redbull stuck with webber is beyond me but webber did not know those kids would go on to be rated as the best f1 drivers of all time by 26. One thing those kids proved, webber was over rated and not even worthy of having a drive in f1. The two kids who he said were flip ups go on to show webber what a shyte driver he is.

 

[sand_man]

Vettel has been prolific! Would love to see him, Alonso, Hamilton and Kimi driving for the same 4 car team...

 

[killadoob]

Vettel has been prolific! Would love to see him, Alonso, Hamilton and Kimi driving for the same 4 car team...

He would moan by saying he isn't being treated the same.

 

[thestaggy]

Excuse the triple post i just don't want walls of text, i could care less if i have 1 post or 1 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Vettel read the first part because that shows you that vettel is arguably the greatest f1 talent ever. I will always maintain though that senna is the greatest f1 driver of all time and nothing vettel does will change that.

This is funny though.



vettel then joins redbull and the kid shows the man how to drive a f1 car while hamilton wins a title . Damn kids who can drive better than men hahaha. Webber got owned by a kid in the same car. webber has never done a good job at redbull, why redbull stuck with webber is beyond me but webber did not know those kids would go on to be rated as the best f1 drivers of all time by 26. One thing those kids proved, webber was over rated and not even worthy of having a drive in f1. The two kids who he said were flip ups go on to show webber what a shyte driver he is.

Hindsight is awesome.

Hamilton, Vettel, Massa, Grosjean have all had moments of crash and burning when starting out so there is truth to what Webber said.

Also, Webber isn't a **** driver. That is just a ridiculous statement. That would be like calling Barrichello a **** driver because while Michael was blitzing everything Barrichello was usually scuffling with a Williams or McLaren or both.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Hindsight is awesome.

Hamilton, Vettel, Massa, Grosjean have all had moments of crash and burning when starting out so there is truth to what Webber said.

Also, Webber isn't a **** driver. That is just a ridiculous statement. That would be like calling Barrichello a **** driver because while Michael was blitzing everything Barrichello was usually scuffling with a Williams or McLaren or both.

Agree, there isn't a **** driver on the F1 circuit today I believe... certainly more talent in some than others, but mostly the driver is only as good as his machine allows. Put the best drivers in a Marussia and they'll look mediocre.

 

[Willie Trombone]

He would moan by saying he isn't being treated the same.

Kimi vs Alonso will be interesting next year.

 

[Willie Trombone]

He would moan by saying he isn't being treated the same.

Say what you like about Alonso, at least he pays his dues and hasn't run off to Monaco to avoid tax.
Hats off to the man for living in Spain and paying their crazy taxes - something like 45-52%

 

[killadoob]

Say what you like about Alonso, at least he pays his dues and hasn't run off to Monaco to avoid tax.
Hats off to the man for living in Spain and paying their crazy taxes - something like 45-52%

You don't understand how monaco works though, you may not pay tax but that does not mean food, fuel, houses etc don't have VAT.

Are you telling me you would want to give the spanish government 10 bar a year to waste? Sorry but paying tax and governments were setup up to work for the people, the system has become nothing more than enrichment for the people in power and their buddies, they don't help the people who are making them rich.

I could agree with you regarding taxes if governments ran like they are suppose to but they don't. I would go live in monaco to stop feeding rich corrupt people. In fact i may take the tax i should be paying the Spanish government and go do something useful with it like donate to charities, setup up a charity. Something that would actually help my fellow human and not enrich the elite.

I don't dislike alonso, he is an amazing driver but ferrari pay him well, they try as hard as they can to give him a decent car and all he can say is he wishes he had a redbull for xmas, i would have said i hope for xmas i get a faster ferrari for next season. He has no loyalty. Instead of trying to up the team spirit he puts the team down instead. Hamilton even though he has a relatively crap car has been very thankful to everyone involved and has said he hopes they can move forward next season.

 

[Willie Trombone]

His redbull for christmas comment was nothing more than the obvious that many fans don't realise. The RB is just that much better than the rest right now.

 

[killadoob]

His redbull for christmas comment was nothing more than the obvious that many fans don't realise. The RB is just that much better than the rest right now.

Sorry my bad the comment didn't make mention of redbull, stupid(silly i should say rather) of me to think that because it would have been a light hearted joke but i recall it was no joke.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23495111

 

[thestaggy]

Agree, there isn't a **** driver on the F1 circuit today I believe... certainly more talent in some than others, but mostly the driver is only as good as his machine allows. Put the best drivers in a Marussia and they'll look mediocre.

Look, I think the cars and tracks are more forgiving, but yes, you won't get near an F1 car in the modern era without some sort of ability. Maybe this new kid Sauber are lining up could be an exception though. 18 and there purely because Sauber are not looking healthy.

The 90s, especially the early 90s, was proliferated with horrible pay drivers .

 

[Willie Trombone]

Oh, we all know he meant redbull lol

 

[killadoob]

Oh, we all know he meant redbull lol

Yea but a team who supports you, pays you millions and ensures massa is always screwed if need be should mean you recognize their loyalty. They have screwed massa like 3 times this season to help alonso because they know he only cares about himself and not winning the title for them. He easily forgets he was on course for the title last season but he had 3 first corner incidents in a row and vettel won it. So it isn't like he hasn't had the chance to be a world champion with ferrari. back luck is the reason he never won it last season. I think it was last season when he was like 60 points clear and had 3 races in a row that he crashed out, none of the incidents his fault if recall.

Winning the constructors but losing the drivers is still something to be proud of.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Yea but a team who supports you, pays you millions and ensures massa is always screwed if need be should mean you recognize their loyalty. They have screwed massa like 3 times this season to help alonso because they know he only cares about himself and not winning the title for them. He easily forgets he was on course for the title last season but he had 3 first corner incidents in a row and vettel won it. So it isn't like he hasn't had the chance to be a world champion with ferrari. back luck is the reason he never won it last season. I think it was last season when he was like 60 points clear and had 3 races in a row that he crashed out, none of the incidents his fault if recall.

Winning the constructors but losing the drivers is still something to be proud of.

A true racing driver will always be frustrated by a mediocre machine.

 

[killadoob]

A true racing driver will always be frustrated by a mediocre machine.

A true racing driver will moan less and focus on the team and the car, moaning and putting your team down is not acceptable. Team spirit, is a big part of any sport and all the people working their asses off trying to produce a top notch car don't deserve to be put down.

Work with the team not against it. I would release alonso if i was ferrari and grab grosjean or hulkenburg. Let him moan because he is watching the f1 on his telly. Ungrateful prick in my opinion.

Ross Braun leaving F1

I wonder what he'll do now.
Maybe he can hookup with Adrian Newey and start a new team or take over Caterham.
We could then see them at the front of the grid for a change.
In my opinion, Newey is the true champion of F1.

Alonso should do the same.

Well i think Mr braun did well at mercedes, never sorted out the tire issue but yea he did well. He can take over caterham and alonso can be the main driver.

 

[Willie Trombone]

A true racing driver will moan less and focus on the team and the car, moaning and putting your team down is not acceptable. Team spirit, is a big part of any sport and all the people working their asses off trying to produce a top notch car don't deserve to be put down.

I can only assume you've never raced competitively before. It's no different than any other sport though. If you're not keeping your team on their toes, you're not competitive enough. All I'm saying is don't expect Alonso, or anyone else for that matter, to not get frustrated. The way he deals with it is part of who he is. It's his career that Ferrari are stifling. You only have x years to prove yourself. The challenge is that there are younger, cheaper drivers coming up the ranks and you risk being marginalised if you sit too long in a rubbish car.

 

[killadoob]

I can only assume you've never raced competitively before. It's no different than any other sport though. If you're not keeping your team on their toes, you're not competitive enough. All I'm saying is don't expect Alonso, or anyone else for that matter, to not get frustrated. The way he deals with it is part of who he is. It's his career that Ferrari are stifling. You only have x years to prove yourself. The challenge is that there are younger, cheaper drivers coming up the ranks and you risk being marginalised if you sit too long in a rubbish car.

Keeping your team on their toes would look something this:

Our cars at the moment are not on the same level as our competitors we will sit down and work our assess off to produce a far more competitive next season.

vs

Our car sucks and i want Someone else's car for christmas.

You must be an alonso groupie and to a degree i was until he disrespect people who give him all the support he needs. He needs to work WITH THE TEAM and not bitch about his car, go and do what vettel does and spend hours WORKING WITH THE TEAM to see where improvements can be made. Alonso is one of the most talented drivers of my generation and right up their with vettel but his attitude is kuk. Hamilton i really like now, he is so humble now and so thankful for what his team does and he is always saying thanks guys, it just wasn't our day but thank you so much for the car it was great. Vettel is constantly thanking his team and saying without you guys this would not be possible.

Anyways let's drop alonso only caring about himself and agree with disagree on the matter . We can both agree that he is one of the most talented drivers in f1 history i think.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Keeping your team on their toes would look something this:

Our cars at the moment are not on the same level as our competitors we will sit down and work our assess off to produce a far more competitive next season.

vs

Our car sucks and i want Someone else's car for christmas.

You must be an alonso groupie and to a degree i was until he disrespect people who give him all the support he needs. He needs to work WITH THE TEAM and not bitch about his car, go and do what vettel does and spend hours WORKING WITH THE TEAM to see where improvements can be made. Alonso is one of the most talented drivers of my generation and right up their with vettel but his attitude is kuk. Hamilton i really like now, he is so humble now and so thankful for what his team does and he is always saying thanks guys, it just wasn't our day but thank you so much for the car it was great. Vettel is constantly thanking his team and saying without you guys this would not be possible.

Anyways let's drop alonso only caring about himself and agree with disagree on the matter . We can both agree that he is one of the most talented drivers in f1 history i think.

I'm pretty sure he'd been down road #1 plenty times
What i'm saying has little to do me.
LOL @ vettel thanking his team. I think you must be a vettel groupie lol. He whines as much as Alonso when things go wrong. He has little to whine about right now unlike Alonso. How quickly people forget!

As for Vettel being a team player....
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