F1 2024

[Baxteen]

the only 2 drivers that are currently in F1 and are not there because of rich parents are LH and colepinto.

everyone knows LH's story and he only got though lower formula because of Mclaren sponsorship.

collepinto has actually really suffered because of lack of funding. in his first season at the NZ racing series that is basically what F4 would be he beat a bunch of people who then went on to drive in F3 while he stayed behind because he had no funding.
then he had to take what he could get a year later in F3 and was stuck with a bad team, then he went to a good team and ditdbetter.

then he was stuck again, no money no sponsorship so no seat in F2. a year went by again and then Williams stepped up to sponsor him so he could go to F2.

and the sad thing is he will likely be in F2 again next year unless Sauber steps up and takes him (and I think they will stick with Bottas)

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

Virtually every top driver is or was an entitled little prick, this is nothing new. Oscar is an exception to the norm...

But is he a top driver?
Leclerc is not arrogant. He and Lando started more or less the same time. Leclerc won his first race in his second season, Lando took 110 races. Leclerc has 7 wins, Lando 2.
Piastri also 2 wins. They all still needs to prove that they are top drivers.
So what makes a top driver? Surely some of them have potential to be top/great, but not yet.
I have no problem with arrogant drivers if they are great. But at least they need some stats to back it up. 2 wins with the fastest car for about 10 races does not seem great. Most top drivers will win a race or two even if they don't have the fastest car.

 

[Goosfrabba]

Leclerc is not arrogant. He and Lando started more or less the same time. Leclerc won his first race in his second season, Lando took 110 races. Leclerc has 7 wins, Lando 2.

People conveniently forget that the McLaren has been a sh!tbox for years and only recently capable of winning races. So the time it took Lando to win his first race is irrelevant.

 

[Baxteen]

so does that make Stroll a Great Driver because he has won a race without being at a top team?

How about GAstly who won in an Alpha Tauri (after being demoted from RB)
what about Ocon winning in an Alpine?


Lets just quickly break down the years lando has been in F1.
LH dominance with Ferrari and Red Bull fighting for the spoils when LH or bottas didd not win. (2019)
LH domiance and a ferrari that was nowhere, but the RB was still quick (2020)
And then there was 2021 Lando had 2 chances, Monza, but he was supporting Riccardo to ensure a team 1,2 and then Socchi, he made a bad call to stay out, rain got worse he did not win.
2022, Mclaren was the 7th best team
2023 Mclaren was 10th best team until Austria when the update brought them to second best, but they were still WAY behind the RB.
2024 Best car for 10 races of the 17 so far. 4 team wins out of those 10. one DNF because of divebomb Verstappen. 1 bad quali (mostly because of a yellow flag). 4 bad strat call that cost the win and gifted it to LH/Russel and Leclerc


so saying he should have gotten his first win sooner is like saying Gasly or Albon should have done better at redbull. Its not wrong, but its also not a fair assessment given other circumstances.

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

the only 2 drivers that are currently in F1 and are not there because of rich parents are LH and colepinto.

everyone knows LH's story and he only got though lower formula because of Mclaren sponsorship.

collepinto has actually really suffered because of lack of funding. in his first season at the NZ racing series that is basically what F4 would be he beat a bunch of people who then went on to drive in F3 while he stayed behind because he had no funding.
then he had to take what he could get a year later in F3 and was stuck with a bad team, then he went to a good team and ditdbetter.

then he was stuck again, no money no sponsorship so no seat in F2. a year went by again and then Williams stepped up to sponsor him so he could go to F2.

and the sad thing is he will likely be in F2 again next year unless Sauber steps up and takes him (and I think they will stick with Bottas)

Do you just get an idea in your head and then write it as facts?
So Ocon comes from a rich family?
And Alonso, Leclerc, Bottas. Magnussen?

 

[Decarin]

I really enjoyed this race as well. Piastri and Leclerc had such a great battle for the lead there, then Checo was lurking in the background ready to pounce, pretty great for most of the race. Then the Sainz/Checo crash just added that extra spice.

Great drives for both Piastri and Leclerc. Hard luck for Checo and Sainz, but especially Checo as that was his best drive in a long time. Both Williams cars had a fantastic race! Colapinto showed far better skill than Sargeant ever had. Very fortunate podium for Russell, honestly the luckiest guy on the grid. Even Alonso had a good race! And Bearman came away with a point for Haas! Lando starting at p14 and ending up in p4 is very, very underrated.

Great stuff, battles for points all the way through the order. Very nice race.

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

People conveniently forget that the McLaren has been a sh!tbox for years and only recently capable of winning races. So the time it took Lando to win his first win is irrelevant.

But good drivers are noticed in shitboxes and given better seats? Like Leclerc. Verstappen, Schumacher, Vettel. Alonso etc.
The top drivers with most starts without win tell a story. Nr 1 Perez, 2 Sainz. Then we have the likes of Weber, Barichello and Norris on that list.

 

[Goosfrabba]

But good drivers are noticed in shitboxes and given better seats? Like Leclerc. Verstappen, Schumacher, Vettel. Alonso etc.
The top drivers with most starts without win tell a story. Nr 1 Perez, 2 Sainz. Then we have the likes of Weber, Barichello and Norris on that list.

And Lando was in talks with Red Bull a couple years back, but he remained loyal to McLaren. Is Lando as good as the likes of Schumacher, Senna etc? No

But to suggest that Lando isn't a bloody good driver because it took him so long to win a race is just distorting the data to suit a narrative

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

And Lando was in talks with Red Bull a couple years back, but he remained loyal to McLaren. Is Lando as good as the likes of Schumacher, Senna etc? No

But to suggest that Lando isn't a bloody good driver because it took him so long to win a race is just distorting the data to suit a narrative

But what data is there that says he is a good driver?

 

[Craig_]

Yeah I agree. I don't think that is how Max wants it though.. he wants to earn it rather than just hoping for favorable results. Can't think that he will be a happy joyous chap if he does not win again this year and still gets champ. Be like "Yeah ok, thanks"

I don't think Max cares, he sure went "Yeah ok, thanks" in 2021. At least this year if he scrapes through it will be more deserving than that.

 

[dotdan]

so does that make Stroll a Great Driver because he has won a race without being at a top team?

When did that mouth breather win a F1 race?

 

[UrBaN963]

When did that mouth breather win a F1 race?

He didn't, but he did podium.

 

[dotdan]

I don't think Max cares, he sure went "Yeah ok, thanks" in 2021. At least this year if he scrapes through it will be more deserving than that.

I disagree. Sure the F1 gods smiled on him in Abu Dabi, but him and LH raced very hard that year and either of them would have been pleased with the WDC.

Can he feel deserving of the title this year if he continues getting 5th or 6th place? I don't know, maybe I am wrong.

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

I disagree. Sure the F1 gods smiled on him in Abu Dabi, but him and LH raced very hard that year and either of them would have been pleased with the WDC.

Can he feel deserving of the title this year if he continues getting 5th or 6th place? I don't know, maybe I am wrong.

Well if the cheating and attempted murder of Silverstone 2021 did not happen, there would be no Abu Dhabi controversy and Max would have probably be champion already.

 

[modern10]

Well if the cheating and attempted murder of Silverstone 2021 did not happen, there would be no Abu Dhabi controversy and Max would have probably be champion already.

Attempted murder

 

[Agent_Smith]

Jesus H Christ...

 

[UrBaN963]

Strong defending Attempted Murder

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

Strong defending Attempted Murder

Look I know you DTS fans know nothing about motor racing but if your front tire hit the back tire of you opponent, its not defending.

 

[Agent_Smith]

I disagree. Sure the F1 gods smiled on him in Abu Dabi, but him and LH raced very hard that year and either of them would have been pleased with the WDC.

Can he feel deserving of the title this year if he continues getting 5th or 6th place? I don't know, maybe I am wrong.

Pretty sure he'll feel deserving of it. He's put in hard graft throughout the year. It's like that in any sport I reckon. Ask a cricketer if he feels he doesn't deserve a 100 when he was dropped twice or a golfer if he deserves his tournament win because he bogeyed a couple of holes and you'd probably get the same answer.

 

[Mzezman]

I disagree. Sure the F1 gods smiled on him in Abu Dabi, but him and LH raced very hard that year and either of them would have been pleased with the WDC.

Can he feel deserving of the title this year if he continues getting 5th or 6th place? I don't know, maybe I am wrong.

Definitely - if he keeps getting results with a less than optimal car then hell yeah. Not sure if you watch MotoGP but a couple years ago Joan Mir won 1 race and was consistent enough to get the championship - he definitely deserves it.