Farm murder - this time its personal

[fantasticfred]

I am trying hard to find a recollection of any case where the farm murders were perpetrated by another specific group? Care to share that information?

Facts are just that, FACTS!

Farmer who killed his wife and kids and then himself earlier this year comes to mind. The recent case of the white guy who had his wife rape and kids murdered. Just two off the top of my head.

 

[fantasticfred]

wily me you missed the point.
We know blacks commit the most crime. The point was why bring it up in this thread? For what purpose?

Yes wily me. what is it we are meant to conclude from this ?

 

[wily me]

Farmer who killed his wife and kids and then himself earlier this year comes to mind. The recent case of the white guy who had his wife rape and kids murdered. Just two off the top of my head.

That was probably due to personal issues and not the type of cases that would be defined under the heading of the typical farm murders!

 

[Flanders]

Flanders, forgive me because I'm on my phone but if you didn't mean race, what did on mean by multiculturalism?

And if your point was as you say to "eradicate" the perpetrators than why bring up multiculturalism?

Well, you are presumptuous. And you don't read properly. What other explanation is there for your countless run-ins with posters here? When I said "multicultural", I was describing the nature of the victims of these crimes. Go read it again.

If that was not your intention I would never have guessed from observing just about everything you have to say on this forum. You sure fooled me.
And why bring up the fact that the perps are mostly black ? What did that have to do with his holistic message ?

I'll admit I've become cynical - to the core even. That comes from reading and observing the same schit day after day after day. I will also call something the way I see it but there is a difference between cynism and racism. However, after so long you cannot deny the patterns. They're glaringly obvious and if it walks like a duck...

But if you can go and find one of these statements I've made (apparently nearly all of them on this forum, according to you) where I've alluded to one race being entirely superior to another, then I'll eat my hat. Good luck.

 

[boramk]

Why are you making up excuses? You asked for examples and he gave two.

 

[fantasticfred]

I'll admit I've become cynical - to the core even. That comes from reading and observing the same schit day after day after day. I will also call something the way I see it but there is a difference between cynism and racism. However, after so long you cannot deny the patterns. They're glaringly obvious and if it walks like a duck...

But if you can go and find one of these statements I've made (apparently nearly all of them on this forum, according to you) where I've alluded to one race being entirely superior to another, then I'll eat my hat. Good luck.

You said it bud. If it walks like a duck...

So what if I told you that you walked like a racist, talked like a racist, thought like a racist, sounded like a racist and in every way to me resembled a racist ?

Would that make you a racist ?

Or are you going to deny that and point out the inherent flaws in generalisations and basically admit you are wrong to use them ?

 

[wily me]

wily me you missed the point.
We know blacks commit the most crime. The point was why bring it up in this thread? For what purpose?

I am not really sure, I did not bring it up but since it is now open in the discussion the facts cannot be denied can it?

Maybe because there are a under current belief that there are a more sinister motive to the deliberate ignorance of the government that does not want to take action to safeguard our breadbasket (farmers), like land reforms?

 

[fantasticfred]

I am not really sure, I did not bring it up but since it is in the open discussion the facts cannot be denied can it?

Maybe because there are a under current belief that there are a more sinister motive to the deliberate ignorance of the government that does not want to take action to safeguard our breadbasket (farmers), like land reforms?

Those beliefs are not only baseless and absolutely without any form of evidence to back them up. they are not only paranoid, neurotic and insane. They are also dumb.

 

[wily me]

Those beliefs are not only baseless and absolutely without any form of evidence to back them up. they are not only paranoid, neurotic and insane. They are also dumb.

Just as dumb as your defense mechanism jumping into action constantly and just as dumb as Malema and the ANCYL comrades?

 

[Flanders]

You said it bud. If it walks like a duck...

So what if I told you that you walked like a racist, talked like a racist, thought like a racist, sounded like a racist and in every way to me resembled a racist ?

Would that make you a racist ?

Or are you going to deny that and point out the inherent flaws in generalisations and basically admit you are wrong to use them ?

Then, rooster, like I said, it'd be water off a duck's back. Give Che a peck on the cheek for me. Next...

 

[wily me]

Then, rooster, like I said, it'd be water off a duck's back. Give Che a peck on the cheek for me. Next...

Oh the reverse racist rooster is back in the roost? No wonder, now all is becoming suddenly so clear!

 

[boramk]

Well, you are presumptuous. And you don't read properly. What other explanation is there for your countless run-ins with posters here? When I said "multicultural", I was describing the nature of the victims of these crimes. Go read it again.

Oh this is going to be beautiful. You started this whole charade when I said saffakanera should also have sympathy for blacks. When I point you being racist by talking about the "elephant in the room" all of a sudden by "perpetrators" now you meant the criminals

talk about and identify the root source of it all - who perpetrates these crimes.

Criminals?

the same perpetrators time after time

Criminals again?
Really? since when were criminals the elephant in the room?

becoming a little too uncomfortable

I don't get uncomfortable talking about criminals, do you? Of course not, but when it comes to saying blacks are the perpetrators, ahh then we get uncomfortable. No mate, no need to project. Half this forum would agree with you.

I'll admit I've become cynical - to the core even. That comes from reading and observing the same schit day after day after day. I will also call something the way I see it but there is a difference between cynism and racism. However, after so long you cannot deny the patterns. They're glaringly obvious and if it walks like a duck...

And again, the patterns of criminality?

But if you can go and find one of these statements I've made (apparently nearly all of them on this forum, according to you) where I've alluded to one race being entirely superior to another, then I'll eat my hat. Good luck.

You don't have to allude anything about any race being superior. You calling out "perpetrators" is just good enough thanks!

I don't get some people in MyBB. They know they are racist but it hurts their "E-cred" to say so.

 

[fantasticfred]

Just as dumb as your defense mechanism jumping into action constantly

I asked you simple questions. You are the one playing defense. I notice I get called a name (although I'm not sure what it means) when people's ability to defend against obvious guilt becomes apparent. It's like a trophy for me. Oh, they ran out of argument so they resort to trying to set up a straw man.

and just as dumb as Malema and the ANCYL comrades?

No. If you think there is some conspiracy in which the a.n.c supports farm murders and even sanctions them then I'm afraid you're way dumber than Malema and the ANCYL comrades. And boy are they dumb !

I can't think of one case in recent times they have not caught those responsible for farm murders. I can also not think of one case where any of them got off on a light sentence. I can also not think of one case when a single one of them described some man coming up to them and encouraging them to carry out a farm murder. Grow up.

 

[fantasticfred]

You don't have to allude anything about any race being superior. You calling out "perpetrators" is just good enough thanks!

I don't get some people in MyBB. They know they are racist but it hurts their "E-cred" to say so.

It seems you're more likely to get into poo poo here by not hinting you are a racist. So I don't know what's stopping them just coming out and saying it. That elephant in the room is really starting to smell.

I don't know if it's just me but i'm still waiting to hear the conclusion that should have come after we were asked "Are most people who commit murders black?" and we said "yes". I answered a question but they seem to think I should have arrived at some conclusion. Like they are holding their hands up thrusting their chins forward like they have made a point. I don't know what that point is. Come guys, please tell us.

 

[wily me]

I asked you simple questions. You are the one playing defense. I notice I get called a name (although I'm not sure what it means) when people's ability to defend against obvious guilt becomes apparent. It's like a trophy for me. Oh, they ran out of argument so they resort to trying to set up a straw man.



No. If you think there is some conspiracy in which the a.n.c supports farm murders and even sanctions them then I'm afraid you're way dumber than Malema and the ANCYL comrades. And boy are they dumb !

I can't think of one case in recent times they have not caught those responsible for farm murders. I can also not think of one case where any of them got off on a light sentence. I can also not think of one case when a single one of them described some man coming up to them and encouraging them to carry out a farm murder. Grow up.

Many are "caught" yet we never hear about them outcomes, many are roaming free to commit more crime.

Sure there is no conspiracy I know of but the lack of action from the government concerning farm murders and the disbanding of any organized security system the farmers may introduce ask many questions. Sure the police are there and they are "supposed" to do their duty but that is a impossibility and the government knows it.

What is the obvious guilt you are referring too? I would really love to know the context of that statement.

Did no "politician" ever hint or threaten to taking away the stolen land (farms) and the farmers riches or possessions? When they did make these subtle comments did they talk about all farms or only those that belong to a certain group?

 

[fantasticfred]

Many are "caught" yet we never hear about them outcomes, many are roaming free to commit more crime.

Read the newspapers. It's all there including how long they will serve and where they will serve it and under what conditions.

Sure there is no conspiracy I know of but the lack of action from the government concerning farm murders and the disbanding of any organized security system the farmers may introduce ask many questions. Sure the police are there and they are "supposed" to do their duty but that is a impossibility and the government knows it.

What lack of action ? I have shown you that Farmers are affected by violent crime far less than almost every other group. Why do they require special protection ? Apartheid is over swaar. We can't hope for a white skin to secure you special rights anymore.

What is the obvious guilt you are referring too? I would really love to know the context of that statement.

Did no "politician" ever hint or threaten to taking away the stolen land (farms) and the farmers riches or possessions? When they did make these subtle comments did they talk about all farms or only those that belong to a certain group?

And you bring up context in one sentence and forget all about it in the next paragraph.

 

[fantasticfred]

Apparently its "fsck off".

Yeah, I noticed. I suppose we'll never know what we are meant to conclude by the perps are mostly black. It seemed at one point something they wished to emphasize and then suddenly they claimed it was not important. I don't do things this way generally. When I make specific reference to a thing while making an argument i generally am leading towards using it to make some sort of conclusion. To not do so would be to just inserting random things unrelated to my point. I suppose I just need to **** off with my logic.

 

[wily me]

Read the newspapers. It's all there including how long they will serve and where they will serve it and under what conditions.



What lack of action ? I have shown you that Farmers are affected by violent crime far less than almost every other group. Why do they require special protection ? Apartheid is over swaar. We can't hope for a white skin to secure you special rights anymore.



And you bring up context in one sentence and forget all about it in the next paragraph.

Aha, there are your old streak. You are a racist friend and you are seriously showing your colours. Their are black farmers to and they also need protection, as a matter of fact our food resources need protection. Only some are to idiotic to even grasp the concept or seriousness of the matter.

You still have not answered the question on your'e "guilt" statement. I take that you meant it in a political and racist view looking at the comments you just made.

Sies man, just ban yourself (again)!

As for "my special rights"..... I am not a farmer and thus do not require any "special rights" as you put it. I am just a normal citizen of an supposed to be "democracy" expecting some security and protection from the police as do my previously disadvantaged neighbor, we both would love to see our food supply maintained in good order.

 

[wily me]

........... I suppose I just need to **** off with my logic.

That would be a good start and BTW it's not "logic" at all.

 

[boramk]

Aha, there are your old streak. You are a racist friend and you are seriously showing your colours. Their are black farmers to and they also need protection, as a matter of fact our food resources need protection. Only some are to idiotic to even grasp the concept or seriousness of the matter.

See fantasticfred said farmers can't ask for special protection over other races because, Apartheid is over and their skin doesn't give them any special rights like it used to. That's not racist, but whatever quarrels you have with fantasticfred is between you two..

But what do you have to say about Flander's racist post if you found that racist?