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You forgot that "The ANC will rule until Christ Returns"
And you don't?
I do yes. Just like I benefit from the legacy of apartheid
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So to clarify - you saying that white people over the age of 46 are to blame for apartheid, but ALL whites are still responsible for it, even those who voted for the end of apartheid?
Yes, but they did not create apartheid, and voted against apartheid. Remember the end of apartheid was a long time coming, I was too young then, don't know first hand who said what in what speech, but by 89 apartheid was unofficially over(poor choice of words, maybe 'on its way to being over'? you get what I mean). In mid to late 80's I was in public primary school with all races. Yes, not all schools were like that, but it had started. Were majority who voted in 89 voting for apartheid continuation (obviously not as majority voted against it), or were they voting in a government that could best 'negotiate' a peaceful transition? I don't know, I don't know what the atmosphere was then, just speculating.
No no, remember he's not trying to blame you; um no wait...
Not responsible for it's implementation, responsible for perpetuating it - whether through ignorance or fear the majority of whites who voted in 1987, voted for an apartheid government. Yes they may have changed their outlook in the referendum but you cannot ignore the fact that the majority of whites in that election voted for the Nats which was all about PW Botha and apartheid.
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I will concede that there may have been other factors at play (about peaceful transition), just that if whites where truly serious about getting rid of apartheid as quickly as possible they would have voted for the DP, not the Nats or the conservatives.
True, think it would be an interesting read to see why if so many voted against apartheid, so many still voted the way they did. Its odd that majority voted for end of apartheid, yet voted for the same parties. Must be some reason behind it(fears/promises whatever), but its clear it wasn't to keep apartheid.
I imagine that many people just got used to voting for the Nats as the people that would "best take care of my interests", difficult to reconcile but I guess the apartheid thing was probably pushed out of their minds on voting day...
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We need to separate taking responsibility for apartheid and enduring the solution to apartheid.
They are two separate things
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Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I suspect this is something that gets hammered into black kids by their parents and their government. Blame whites for everything! If they help you, blame them for helping you because it's racist for them to think you need help. If they don't help you, blame them for not helping you and oppressing you.
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I benefited from the end of apartheid, I was 7 when it officially collapsed and the ANC was voted in, because it took them a while to absolutely annihilate the education system (VIVA comrades and all that). From there I have managed to work hard (see what I did there?) to make a decent living and continue to study (see what I did there?). My parents had very little and were given very little opportunity because they were predominantly English speakers. Just like black people were forced to learn Afrikaans if they wanted to participate, so did my parents (obviously this is a lie though, they were white and had everything in abundance with that white privilege they had in their back pockets). There are many black people my age that went to the same schools as me and yet sit around doing nothing, not being able to get a job. Why you ask? Because of the entitlement attitude and the chip on their shoulder that white people owe them something. While they have been shouting from the rooftops that white people owe them something and have gotten nowhere, I have been working hard and studying even harder to make a career for myself. I bare the fruit of my labour, with apartheid or without - it has been inconsequential to my position. So while you stand around blabbing on about 'white privilege' and 'apartheid' I'll be over here actually doing something to make a positive change in my life.
I feel it is only fair to adopt the same attitude black people in this country have and therefore ALL blacks are to blame for the systematic genocide of other black cultures throughout Africa, especially the Zulus. You and your king Shaka implemented racist policies and killed all the other black cultures and eventually stole South Africa from it's rightful owners. You benefitted from stealing these poor peoples land, stealing their cattle and whatever other resources and should ashamed! Also remember that whatever you say in argument to this makes you a racist, xenophobic colonialist from the Zulu kingdom (you might as well all be Zulus since all white people are Europeans)
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But it still only the +46 year olds.
It is just surprising to me that you are painting the whole "you whitey's perpetuated apartheid and then changed your outlook for the referendum" from such a small percentage of the population on the white population of today.
My first legal vote when I was 18 was for the referendum to end apartheid. At the time I can remember that I was astounded that Black people did not have the right to vote in their own country and so I made my mark to change that. I don't want applause or thanks or anything like that with regards to what I did because it should not have even been a choice to make in the first place, however when people start talking ***** about how we changed our outlook because we had too and that the 70% vote was not based on people doing the right thing and only on pressures from outside that annoys me.
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Am not trying to blame anyone, was trying to refute an earlier claim that the only a small minority of whites ever supported apartheid which doesn't tally with the evidence of the elections pre 1994. I was also trying to point out that a lot of people who voted for the Nats are still alive and economically active. Am sure currently the majority of white people can claim to have never supported apartheid, but there are still a lot of white people who did.
The 89 elections were called 2-3 years early for the very reason of gauging support for the change that DeKlerk was bringing or proposing. There was resistance to the direction he was going.
De Klerks Nats (call them reformed or on a different path than before) won out convincingly, not without some bleeding of support though.
The Conservative Party garnered just over 30% and were vehemently against any sort of kumbaya'ing with the non whiteys. This is probably the same lot that voted NO in the referendum to follow in '92.
Voter turnout was around 70% so 30% of registered voters didnt even bother going to the polls.
The Nats bled support in these times with old hardliners jumping ship to the CP, who boycotted CODESA.
De Klerk was a brave politician, and put his cards on the table when he called for the referendum which was a resounding success and a slap in the face for the Conservative Party cnuts.
True, true.