French Elections 2017

That's a common perception, yes. But it's historically and contemporarily false. The right loves having government interfere in people's lives, except when it's about protecting minorities' rights or helping poor people, then it's evil.

They have a gigantic boner for anything in the military industrial complex, including the ever expanding military, which is essentially a massive welfare programme. They also ushered in the Patriot Act, including all the NSA shenanigans, invasion of privacy, attacks on civil liberties etc.

You're talking about neo-cons, a group rejected by other parts of the right wing as not being truly right wing. To generalize and talk about "the right" as loving x y z when it goes against the creed of the right itself isn't a great idea. Just like labeling all left-wingers as oversensitive libtard SJWs is an ignorant generalization.

As another example, it's like saying all followers of Islam are terrorists... Get the idea?

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The spectrum is based on function, rather than side. What you're talking about above is acts by people who identify as right wing doing things the right wing is inherently against. That's dysfunction, and we see this in both camps.

Nationalism can be both right and left so when it comes to moving banks from the private sector to the public sector, well, based on the above spectrum, that idea sits squarely on the left. That's where my argument with regards to populism comes in. Political leaders are telling people what they want to hear in an effort to get maximum support from all sides, as opposed to proposing solid policy ideas and implementing and sticking to their viewpoints. First we had the ignorant use of the "far-left" label and now "far-right". Laissez faire capitalism is far right by definition, not this confused political mixture. You can't reconcile, as an example, laissez faire capitalism and fascism - at all. They're essentially opposite. So what does far-right mean when someone uses the label? Who the hell knows....
 
Do they give cocaine to the kids they rape or do they just eat them ?

Ordering cocaine by email seems very logical.

Apparently used bit coin to pay for it? Sounds a bit like the whole pizza gate. Some of the emails may be legit but they may throw a few fake ones in there too.

Also watching the alt right meltdown online tonight was good :D
 
Apparently used bit coin to pay for it? Sounds a bit like the whole pizza gate. Some of the emails may be legit but they may throw a few fake ones in there too.

Also watching the alt right meltdown online tonight was good :D
Please don't write bitcoin as "bit coin"
 
I won't comment
and yet here you are, commenting :D

One day it's bureaucrats in Brussels. The next day, Germany...
Do try to keep up, Germany rules the EU, they're effectively the same thing...

For the person mentioning the lack of experience from Macron with 2 years experience, it's actually hilarious to compare him with somebody who has literally zero governmental experience
While that wasn't me, the logic should be obvious: when you're caught in a system that refuses to change, someone with no experience is more likely to bring about real change than an experienced, establishment, cretin.
 
Don't worry fellow right-wingers. We may have lost France but tomorrow we take South Korea.
 
Merkel will walk all over him. Very obvious. He's had 2 years in government...she's an experienced player in international politics.

Like La Pen was any more experienced?

I thought inexperienced politicians (aka Trump) is what the world needs? Now it doesn't suite your agenda, he will fail because of inexperience?

How do you process this cognitive dissonance with Trump?
 
The Macron leaks is a big nothing burger, and it includes fakes, which WikiLeaks published all the same.

Source please. You can say whoever published the emails are biased or have an agenda or even call them dirty Russians, but you need to substantiate your claims that the info was faked.
 
Source please. You can say whoever published the emails are biased or have an agenda or even call them dirty Russians, but you need to substantiate your claims that the info was faked.

Whilst i do agree claims of them being fake should be substantiated, its ultimately the other way around. The emails themselves need to be verified.
 
and yet here you are, commenting :D


Do try to keep up, Germany rules the EU, they're effectively the same thing...


While that wasn't me, the logic should be obvious: when you're caught in a system that refuses to change, someone with no experience is more likely to bring about real change than an experienced, establishment, cretin.

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Keep up, France reaches plenty of its wishes within the EU. Wishes to which Germany is opposed.

The message wasn't yours as I said. Although it was purely about experience, no mention whatsoever of establishment.

You seem also to forget that Le Pen is the incarnation of establishment.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/07/british-brexit-supporters-insult-emmanuel-macron-after-presidential-win

Brexit campaign group insults Macron after presidential win

Leave.EU, pressure group set up by Nigel Farage before referendum, tweets that French people had ‘rolled over’ like they did in 1940

The Twitter account of Leave.EU, the pro-Brexit pressure group set up by Nigel Farage for last year’s referendum, tweeted that the French people had once again “rolled over” just as they had done in 1940 – except this time they saved Germany “the bullets and the fuel”. The tweet also included a picture of a newspaper headline from 1940 reporting the surrender of France to the Nazis.

Classy.
 
Stupidity can't be fixed.

Perfectly encapsulates why populism will remain a potent force for a very long time. Zero sympathy for the 'losers' of globalisation. Zero sympathy for people who realise that many in government only are doing nothing towards combating militant Islam. Macron will do nothing and terrorism attacks are (unfortunately) likely to continue.

Of course she got more votes - she's not quite as nutty as her father. Still a nutter, of course.

You didn't answer previously, btw - You'd be cool with the ANC/EFF wanting to nationalise banks, since Le Pen wants to, right?

No, I wouldn't be cool with that, but I don't have to support every support EVERY policy of a candidate/political party. I disagree with the DA on things. I would hate to be known to support a candidate that supports open borders because on some level he and his government will be responsible for every single terrorist attack between 2017 and 2022 in France. I wouldn't like blood on my hands like that...

I won't comment on your horrendous, cheap and despicable references.

One day it's bureaucrats in Brussels. The next day, Germany...

For the person mentioning the lack of experience from Macron with 2 years experience, it's actually hilarious to compare him with somebody who has literally zero governmental experience, a EU MP record non existent and never been in a legislature with more than 2/577th MPs. Brilliant and coherent argument.

Just pray that Le Pen is not crippled with a cirrhosis/and or in jail in 5 years. I hope not jail, she'll become Madiba for you...

Um...Germany basically rule the roost with regards to the EU. That much is obvious. Deliberately muddying the waters...

Like La Pen was any more experienced?

I thought inexperienced politicians (aka Trump) is what the world needs? Now it doesn't suite your agenda, he will fail because of inexperience?

How do you process this cognitive dissonance with Trump?

Trump is a billionaire businessman -he's actually done something notable with his life. What has Macron done outside politics besides follow the standard pathway for French elites? There's been very little investigative journalism on Macron because the mainstream media have been in awe of him. Who is behind his rise? Who has been sponsoring him? Hedge funds and international finance?

A former civil servant and investment banker, he studied philosophy at Paris Nanterre University, completed a master's of public affairs at Sciences Po, and graduated from the École nationale d'administration (ENA) in 2004. He worked as an Inspector of Finances in the Inspectorate General of Finances (IGF) and then became an investment banker at Rothschild & Cie Banque.

A member of the Socialist Party (PS) from 2006 to 2009, Macron was appointed as deputy secretary-general under François Hollande's first government in 2012. He was appointed Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs in 2014 under the Second Valls Government, where he pushed through business-friendly reforms.

Also Trump, by virture of being the president of the USA and the world's only superpower, naturally has much more 'soft' (and 'hard') power than mickey mouse Macron.

Also Trump doesn't have to do deal with the EU. Macron does - and Merkel loves it (for her own purposes of course).
 
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Keep up, France reaches plenty of its wishes within the EU. Wishes to which Germany is opposed.

The message wasn't yours as I said. Although it was purely about experience, no mention whatsoever of establishment.

You seem also to forget that Le Pen is the incarnation of establishment.

So that's basically why all the media, establishment politicians, trade unions and banks supported her?

Oh wait, hold on... :rolleyes:
 
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Perfectly encapsulates why populism will remain a potent force for a very long time. Zero sympathy for the 'losers' of globalisation. Zero sympathy for people who realise that many in government only are doing nothing towards combating militant Islam. Macron will do nothing and terrorism attacks are (unfortunately) likely to continue.

Trump is a billionaire businessman -he's actually done something notable with his life. What has Macron done outside politics besides follow the standard pathway for French elites? There's been very little investigative journalism on Macron because the mainstream media have been in awe of him. Who is behind his rise? Who has been sponsoring him? Hedge funds and international finance?



Also Trump, by virture of being the president of the USA and the world's only superpower, naturally has much more 'soft' (and 'hard') power than mickey mouse Macron.

Also Trump doesn't have to do deal with the EU. Macron does - and Merkel loves it (for her own purposes of course).

On terrorism, you probably missed the column published by ex police and intelligence directors saying that Le Pen will not only antagonize the society but decrease the efficiency of the police and justice and system while generating more attacks.

You still don't experience on Le Pen's supposed experience.
 
So that's basically why all the media, establishment politicians, trade unions and banks supported her?

Oh wait, hold on... :rolleyes:

1) she's never worked
2) she inherited everything
3) she lives off public money

That's more than enough for me.
 
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