French Elections 2017

French police unions (not exactly known to be leftist) call to vote against Le Pen.
 
ponder said:
France still has more muslims than some 'islamic' countries have for their total population. The birthrate of muslims vs non-muslims in europe is also a lot higher.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/19/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_population_growth
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Not a lot higher in Europe.

From the Wikipedia:

Muslim women today have an average of 2.2 children compared to an estimated average of 1.5 children for non-Muslim women in Europe.[3] While the birth rate for Muslims in Europe is expected to decline over the next two decades, it will remain slightly higher than in the non-Muslim population,[3] except for Dutch-Turks, who have a lower birthrate (1.7) than the native Dutch population (1.8).[51][52]

The research I mentioned included the birth rate already.
 
Le Pen will win.

Frexit will happen.

New world order on its way.
 
Thor187 said:
Le Pen will win.

Frexit will happen.

New world order on its way.
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April's fool was 24 days ago !

I'd rather be back to a totalitarian monarchy than have Le Pen actually. They at least tried to have a minimum of decency.
 
Garson007 said:
How is Marine Le Pen indecent?
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Nazi salute, meeting ex nazi dignitaries, stealing money from the EU Parliament, committing tax fraud, defrauding the french government by creating a scheme where she benefits (not the party) of the refunds from the parliamentary campaign, being funded by Russia.

One of her best friends is working directly with Assad also.

Here with an ex Waffen SS:
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They have softened their speech to get more votes and be presentable, but they remain a bunch of neo Nazis (and crooks).
 
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f2wohf said:
Nazi salute, meeting ex nazi dignitaries, stealing money from the EU Parliament, committing tax fraud, defrauding the french government by creating a scheme where she benefits (not the party) of the refunds from the parliamentary campaign, being funded by Russia
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How exactly is it stealing if the EU parliament pays the money straight into your bank account? :crylaugh:
What is indecent about accepting funds from Russia btw?
There could be numerous "decent" reasons to meet with ex-Nazi's fyi

Hell the nazi salute is literally the only thing that speaks to a lack of decency on your entire list.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
How exactly is it stealing if the EU parliament pays the money straight into your bank account? :crylaugh:
What is indecent about accepting funds from Russia btw?
There could be numerous "decent" reasons to meet with ex-Nazi's fyi

Hell the nazi salute is literally the only thing that speaks to a lack of decency on your entire list.
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Tax fraud no ?

Scheme to defraud the french government neither ?

Numerous reasons to meet ex nazis ? I struggle to find one... They were only the people occupying our territory and killing systematically Jews, but probably nice chaps...

The Parliament paid on the basis of fake declarations. That's a financial crime for which her MP immunity has just been lifted.

Accepting money from a foreign power ? Always a good idea when you want to be independent...
 
f2wohf said:
Tax fraud no ?
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Without the context means nothing, hell I've accidentally omitted information from past tax forms and had to rectify it after the fact, technically that is fraud already, am I indecent for making an honest mistake?

f2wohf said:
Scheme to defraud the french government neither ?
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Again, without the context it could go many ways, could be civil disobedience, could be NKandla style corruption, tbh I don't know, but I'm not ready to judge based on a one liner.

f2wohf said:
Numerous reasons to meet ex nazis ? I struggle to find one...
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Researching the history of your family that died in the occupation? Investigating past atrocities? Scholar of history? Yeah there could be many perfectly innocent reasons to meet with an ex nazi.

f2wohf said:
The Parliament paid on the basis of fake declarations. That's a financial crime for which her MP immunity has just been lifted.
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Pfffff, I would bet any amount of money this practice is RIFE in a mega-bureaucracy such as the EU, the more interesting question is why did they single her out if she isn't an exception to the rule (which she isn't)

f2wohf said:
Accepting money from a foreign power ? Always a good idea when you want to be independent...
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Fair enough, would you moan if the money came from the UK or US? Did you criticize Hillary for the millions she got from Saudi Arabia? Let's face it, the only reason this even made the news is: because Russia woooooo, boogie man!
 
f2wohf said:
April's fool was 24 days ago !

I'd rather be back to a totalitarian monarchy than have Le Pen actually. They at least tried to have a minimum of decency.
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How about a communist tyranny?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Without the context means nothing, hell I've accidentally omitted information from past tax forms and had to rectify it after the fact, technically that is fraud already, am I indecent for making an honest mistake?


Again, without the context it could go many ways, could be civil disobedience, could be NKandla style corruption, tbh I don't know, but I'm not ready to judge based on a one liner.


Researching the history of your family that died in the occupation? Investigating past atrocities? Scholar of history? Yeah there could be many perfectly innocent reasons to meet with an ex nazi.


Pfffff, I would bet any amount of money this practice is RIFE in a mega-bureaucracy such as the EU, the more interesting question is why did they single her out if she isn't an exception to the rule (which she isn't)


Fair enough, would you moan if the money came from the UK or US? Did you criticize Hillary for the millions she got from Saudi Arabia? Let's face it, the only reason this even made the news is: because Russia woooooo, boogie man!
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Tax fraud: they reduced by a factor of 2 or 3 the value of their properties to pay less wealth tax. The father and daughter got caught as they co own the properties.

Defrauding the french government: the FN MP candidates were forced to buy a campaign package (leaflets and posters) at 12000€ for each candidate from the printing company of Marine's advisor who then pays it to her individual micro party called Jeanne (so not the FN). The Candidates disclosed it, the value of the package was no more than 2000€. Criminal proceedings are ongoing as the French government refunds the campaign expenses (so the 12000€). No other party has ever done that.

Nobody in her family died from the war. Studying negationism maybe.

At the European Parliament she paid people of her party declaring them as parliamentary assistants. Some other did it and were condemned, she must be too.

I would moan even if it was from Belgium or an EU country. Let alone Russia or the US. No other party does that in France.
 
Alan said:
How so and which would you prefer?
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I'd relinquish my citizenship. I also have the citizenship of another EU country.

I wouldn't go to vote. I'm actually not sure I'm going to vote at the second round of this election. I deeply hate Macron too.
 
f2wohf said:
I would moan even if it was from Belgium or an EU country. Let alone Russia or the US. No other party does that in France.
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So allegations of Macron being groomed and funded by the likes of George Soros and the Rothschilds should have you quite worried then?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
So allegations of Macron being groomed and funded by the likes of George Soros and the Rothschilds should have you quite worried then?
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As I said in the post before, I deeply hate Macron.

He has a complete lack of substance, a programme made at the last minute, his sentences are pure non sense and he came out of nowhere too fast and too perfectly.

Pompidou was managing partner of the same bank and one of our best presidents so I'm not overly worried about his banking past.

It's mostly the shadow of Hollande and Attali behind him that worries me with him.
 
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