FTTX here sooner than expected

Rev A can do 50 ms latency, why the hell do you guys want to be wired? Wired is nice yes, I agree, if you want to play pew pew games all day. But of course you need to consider that this is a big country, with a majority of poor people, it is more important, in my opinion, that they be helped first. And the fastest way that is going to happen is with wireless tech.

If I look back to 5 plus years ago, I think we should be very grateful, the development of infrastructure has been great so far.

To be honest the comments these days are starting to pi## me off. There are people without running water and I see folks bitch about not being able to download movies in 5 minutes, while little children have to run miles to get to school where they use old books with very little supply or contact with the outside world, disgusting.
 
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DblD said:
This begs a question.
How does density differ between gated village and any suburb block?

He must be referring to fact that most newly build properties are build so close.

There are denser populated area's though.. townships.....what about them density MR Dark Fiber Africa?

Oh and on top of that, fiber to house will only be useful if concept of capping is thing of past just like Telkom. Bet ya Ivi will have appeal or two re that...

lollies
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Gated villages are easier for the networks to service as they only need to run their fibre to the village IT hub. Typically the homes themselves are cabled up with copper or fibre when the complete village is designed and built, normally by companies like Vodacom Gates Services.

It's thus much easier to bring a large number of homes in a gated community onto the network than with a similar number of free-standing homes.
 
2 years schmeers!

Gated villages, yada yada - because that's where higher income brackets are and in so doing Dark Africa shows its dark nature,
"All about the Benjamins" or should it be the "Zuma's/Mugabe's'?

Oh and Angus, don't worry. No one will take your word for it. Not for anything bru. :rolleyes:
 
saffakanera said:
Rev A can do 50 ms latency, why the hell do you guys want to be wired?
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Well for one, stability, ping(I've seen adsl do 11ms to sa servers) and stability. Doesn't go up or down depending on the weather and tower load.
 
vodacom3g said:
Gated villages are easier for the networks to service as they only need to run their fibre to the village IT hub. Typically the homes themselves are cabled up with copper or fibre when the complete village is designed and built, normally by companies like Vodacom Gates Services.

It's thus much easier to bring a large number of homes in a gated community onto the network than with a similar number of free-standing homes.
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But if LLU was to be in order - a pipe dream yes :rolleyes:

Could fibre not be pushed into my home from the the distribution box at the corner of my street?
I'm no techie, so that's why I ask.

Even if not, if companies like our SNO can put a fibre network in the ground that links the entire country.
There surely are enough contractors to take on the job for a resedential rollout?
 
Shake&Bake said:
But if LLU was to be in order - a pipe dream yes :rolleyes:

Could fibre not be pushed into my home from the the distribution box at the corner of my street?
I'm no techie, so that's why I ask.

Even if not, if companies like our SNO can put a fibre network in the ground that links the entire country.
There surely are enough contractors to take on the job for a resedential rollout?
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Installing fibre is more complex than copper so there will be fewer contractors who can do it and connect it to the rings. It's also a matter of cost of the fibre LL.

Any business is going to serve the highest demand areas first. Thus you see all the networks first going for the commercial business (and obviously its own towers).

But, in a sense, it's encouraging to see that they're already targeting residential with fixed line, even if it's gated communities to start with.
 
Oh it all sounds great and all that... even tho its just more talk... but who cares, i just LOVED Richards Surname :D
 
lol with llu & altechs court ruling who knows what can happen :-? But seriously I forsee Neotel taking advantage of llu & starting a Fttn network over telkoms copper. look @ australia they stuck arguing over who should build & own their newly planned fttn network. One just has to look @ BT & their 21st century network to see the future.
 
Dark Fibre Africa...

I read about these oaks the first time a month ago, 2 days later they start digging up in front of the area where I work, and I am talking about quite an empty area. Proof is in the pudding, and these guys say they are doing fibre, and I see them doing fibre, so I will put a little more faith in them than lots of others. Keep it up guys~!
 
Would be interesting if the home owner owned the fiber tail

I was reading a proposal from the US where each home owner (or the muni, or whatever) would run fiber from a central access point to each dwelling, as a tail. Each service provider would then only have to run their fiber to the access point, link in to the tail, and the resident would then be connected.

Kind of like a Local Loop Unbundling on steroids.

I wish . . . . .
 
DblD said:
reminds me of those jokers from pretoria, power over electrical lines or something.. every few months they make media release frenzy about how their service roll out is imminent blady blah
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Yes, GTS made lots of noise of the last few years but we haven't seen anything. Last I heard they waiting to see if they get a license to broadcast.
 
DblD said:
This begs a question.
How does density differ between gated village and any suburb block?

He must be referring to fact that most newly build properties are build so close.

There are denser populated area's though.. townships.....what about them density MR Dark Fiber Africa?

Oh and on top of that, fiber to house will only be useful if concept of capping is thing of past just like Telkom. Bet ya Ivi will have appeal or two re that...

lollies
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I think he means more like in gated villages, the residents can all share in the cost a lot easier than residents in a suburb. I think there is an overall management in a village isn't there? Like a body corporate.
 
Telkom have been laying fibre in my area (Newlands, Cape Town) over the last month or two. Apparently it is the backbone, and the next stage will be Fiber TT Home, which will put in quite soon afterwards.
Note this is just from chatting to the contractors putting in the fiber.
 
YAY, I just cant wait for my ULTRA fast 100mb line, with my over-indulgent 3GB cap, that I will finish in ***Drum roll*** a whole 4 minutes... WOOHOO

/sarcasm

but on a more serious note, I really dont give a cr@p about the speeds, just give me uncapped, and I will be happy...
 
saffakanera said:
To be honest the comments these days are starting to pi## me off. There are people without running water and I see folks bitch about not being able to download movies in 5 minutes, while little children have to run miles to get to school where they use old books with very little supply or contact with the outside world, disgusting.
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The site is called mybroadband.co.za. People are going to bitch about the state of broadband on it, and the bitching will seem disproportionately loud regarding broadband because people have other places where they can moan about poverty.

Solving poverty isn't about throwing food at people. It's a colonialist mentality where you just give people food to ease your own guilt at your opulence, and then do nothing to increase peoples ability to be self-reliant. Broadband (including fiber) increases the potential that people have to earn a living. It increases the odds that someone in South Africa would be able to start something like the next Google, and thereby provide food and jobs for their entire community.
 
vodacom3g said:
Installing fibre is more complex than copper so there will be fewer contractors who can do it and connect it to the rings. It's also a matter of cost of the fibre LL.

Any business is going to serve the highest demand areas first. Thus you see all the networks first going for the commercial business (and obviously its own towers).

But, in a sense, it's encouraging to see that they're already targeting residential with fixed line, even if it's gated communities to start with.
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Thanks for the reply.
It's just that it seems that the highest demand areas have been getting it all :p
Naturally one cannot expect that everyday consumers are going to be able to cough up the dosh that Enterprise clients do...
That due to the lack of competition on SAT3/SAFE, but still - we're left stranded looking for more and for so long.
One kinda wants those pipe dreams. :)
The rest of the world has it :o

mic_y said:
but on a more serious note, I really dont give a cr@p about the speeds, just give me uncapped, and I will be happy...
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Just goes to show how eager we've become (and I'm not trying to be "funny" with you) but its a sentiment that's carrying around here for so long.
We have to sacrifice for half the service that the outside world has to be happy.
Yes, we'll all take uncapped at 384k for R500.
Sh1tty thing is that my friend in the UK pays roughly the same if not less, for a 24mb DSL line and he is uncapped.:sick::mad::sick:
 
saffakanera said:
There are people without running water and I see folks bitch about not being able to download movies in 5 minutes, while little children have to run miles to get to school where they use old books with very little supply or contact with the outside world, disgusting.
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you know what's really cruel... there are people that actually dont own ferarri's and BMW's. how cruel. oh wait, they paid for the ability to own those technologies.

as long as i pay for my own things, ofcourse i'd want something better.... and also pay for it.
we pay for our internet, and there are people willing to pay for 10mbit. so now it's a crime to wish for faster and faster? shut your trap and go feed those hungry children. this a technology forum, not the UN special needs whatever forum. we dont care.
 
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