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Fury about Google Books

"Garbage" and "hysterical propaganda" was one angry reaction at the world's biggest book fair this year when Google, the world's biggest Internet search service, defended plans to turn millions of books into electronic literature available online.
 
I applaud them. Google is being groundbreaking here and is aiming at copyright reform. Gone are the old days of stupid restrictive copyright laws.
 
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100 years of Big Content fearing technology—in its own words
For the last hundred years, rightsholders have fretted about everything from the player piano to the VCR to digital TV to Napster. Here are those objections, in Big Content's own words.

It's almost a truism in the tech world that copyright owners reflexively oppose new inventions that do (or might) disrupt existing business models. But how many techies actually know what rightsholders have said and written for the last hundred years on the subject?

The anxious rhetoric around new technology is really quite shocking in its vehemence, from claims that the player piano will destroy musical taste and the "national throat" to concerns that the VCR is like the "Boston strangler" to claims that only Hollywood's premier content could make the DTV transition a success. Most of it turned out to be absurd hyperbole, but it's interesting to see just how consistent the words and the fears remain across more than a century of innovation and a host of very different devices.

So here they are, in their own words—the copyright holders who demanded restrictions on player pianos, photocopiers, VCRs, home taping, DAT, MP3 players, Napster, the DVR, digital radio, and digital TV.

The gramophone and the player piano
In 1906, famous composer John Philip Sousa took to Appleton's Magazine to pen an essay decrying the latest piratical threat to his livelihood, to the entire body politic, and to "musical taste" itself. His concern? The player piano and the gramophone, which stripped the life from real, human, soulful live performances.

The gramophone and the player piano
In 1906, famous composer John Philip Sousa took to Appleton's Magazine to pen an essay decrying the latest piratical threat to his livelihood, to the entire body politic, and to "musical taste" itself. His concern? The player piano and the gramophone, which stripped the life from real, human, soulful live performances.

The photocopier, invented by Xerox, became a target. In 1972, Time quoted UCLA law professor Melville Nimmer as saying, "the day may not be far off when no one need purchase books" thanks to the sinister uses of the copier. But books were hard to copy, and the process cost money. Academic journals, though, were high-priced, had low subscriber bases, and were stuffed with easily copiable articles. The copier thus represented a particular threat to these publications, several of which filed lawsuits.

Free TV is still with us today, the VCR made billions for Hollywood, and no one was strangled, covered by an avalanche, or drowned beneath a tidal wave. But even as the VCR became a profit center both for Hollywood and the consumer electronics firms that made the devices, another threat loomed large—this time against the music industry. And once again, a famous rhetorical campaign attempted to argue that the analog cassette was literally destroying an entire industry.

That campaign was "Home Taping is Killing Music," and the music business worried that home recording from the radio and from friends' albums and cassettes spelled the end of making money with recorded music. The campaign even had its own logo, and it led to years of Congressional pressure, but music survived.

Ive just taken snips from it.. please read the full article here:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ontent-fearing-technologyin-its-own-words.ars

Google is doing the right thing!
 
So we're applauding Google for making money off other people's work?

Nice going. :rolleyes:

Do all of you support the pirate dvd sellers on the roadside too?
 
So we're applauding Google for making money off other people's work?

Nice going. :rolleyes:

Do all of you support the pirate dvd sellers on the roadside too?

not when I can just download it for myself :p

Your post is slightly ignorant... Google is not advocating piracy. They are advocating realistic copyright laws.

In other words copyright that is accessible worldwide and expires after 50 years max.

These rights holders are trying to push their copyright extensions to 70, 90 or 120 years.... and they want to control which countries in the world get access... and when.
 
not when I can just download it for myself :p

Your post is slightly ignorant... Google is not advocating piracy. They are advocating realistic copyright laws.

In other words copyright that is accessible worldwide and expires after 50 years max.

These rights holders are trying to push their copyright extensions to 70, 90 or 120 years.... and they want to control which countries in the world get access... and when.

+1. Well said.
 
This story goes hand in hand with this story.





Ive just taken snips from it.. please read the full article here:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ontent-fearing-technologyin-its-own-words.ars

Google is doing the right thing!

PLEASE? Saying please read this makes my skin crawl. Lunacy imo. It's like the tirade that "the waltz will lead to the decline of civilization", "comic books have a bad influence on children" and many many others. Just stupid saber rattling by the powers that be. It really grates me when I see stuff like that.
 
So we're applauding Google for making money off other people's work?

Nice going. :rolleyes:

Do all of you support the pirate dvd sellers on the roadside too?

Um... do you actually know the real story:erm:

What Gary said. +1
 
Well done Google.

If the traditional publishers don't take the plunge and embrace technology, they will suffer the same consequences has Hollywood, and the music industry.

You can't fight technology. Be smart, embrace it, and learn to make money off it. Clinging on to the past will do no good. With or without you, technology will race ahead.
 
its time for change

Google said they not going to be charging for them..they going to pay it from advertisements which possibly means more market penetration for them but. For the rest of the world its more than just that. Its about having access to books or material. :)

Yes publishing houses will see their asses with this and i probably say it to arrogantly but we living in the year 2009..not 1999.:D

It may not all be that bad for publishing houses because real book readers will still prefer to read in a place which is comfortable for them and most probably far away from the computer which means they will still enjoy a hard copy of the book. :cool:

I can only imagine how terrible reading a novel must be on a badly published format. Many institutions will still prefer the hard copy as well like in schools.:rolleyes:

I think this is a good move towards the future and ensuring that knowledge is freely available. :)
 
Uhm, I bet I could beat all of you in a closed cage knife fight, so I win this thread, forever...

*calmly walks away*
 
Google will compensate copyright holders. The free access will be mostly for public domain works. When they sell copyrighted works the authors will get 45% of each sale. In traditional publishing they are lucky to get around 10%. Can't see how they can lose on the deal.
 
People will always still buy printed books.

Reading a pdf on a screen just never will feel as good as reading a real book in bed or in the bath.

The print industry is really going to suffer when they perfect a voice readback system which is able to relay book contents like a master story-teller.
 
People will always still buy printed books.

Reading a pdf on a screen just never will feel as good as reading a real book in bed or in the bath.

The print industry is really going to suffer when they perfect a voice readback system which is able to relay book contents like a master story-teller.


+1 I agree :)
 
Actually with eReader devices you can do pretty much everything you can with a book. As the technology matures to flexable color displays I can see them replacing most books.

Hower real books won't be completely replaced. You'll most like just buy a high quality hardback of an ebook you enjoyed and want to add to your permanent collection.
 
not when I can just download it for myself :p
That's not a fair response. Google is profiting off the works of others. If you don't have a problem with pirate dvd sellers on the roadside, say so. If you do have a problem with them, have the stones to see the similarity between their behaviour, and what Google is doing.

Your post is slightly ignorant... Google is not advocating piracy. They are advocating realistic copyright laws.
And from what I heard (granted it was a few months ago), they reached a rather suspicious out-of-court settlement with a couple of larger copyright holders.

If they want to advocate realistic copyright laws I'm all for it, but until those laws exist, it's really dodgy that Google would be willing to break the law so they can generate a bit of profit. Seriously, if they break the law here, what's stopping them from breaking the law elsewhere?

In other words copyright that is accessible worldwide and expires after 50 years max.
Fine by me, but change the laws first.

These rights holders are trying to push their copyright extensions to 70, 90 or 120 years.... and they want to control which countries in the world get access... and when.
All of which has sweet nothing to do with my objection.

I don't like the fact that Disney and company keep using their leverage to **** over the interests of society at large, but niether do I like it when a company like google starts strong-arming the legal system to get their way.
 
Have no delusions.
The paper book is coming to an end of its era.

Already books cannot be afforded by the majority of people,
at R120 - R160 for a paperback, books are luxury items
and will become twice as expensive in the next decade as
electronic books take their rightful place.

Books will still be published in the traditonal way for a while
(a few decades), and that is good.

We should have hard copies of important books, academic and
scientific books, as an electro magnetic event may well render our technology
useless and then traditional books will still be available.
(though such an event is unlikely)

I speak on behalf of myself, a bookworm, book collector and lover of books; it is
right that books are made available widely and in new technology.

Though I adore my books, I have been reading electronic text/onscreen for over
20 years now, and especially in the last few years when .PDF's have become
mainstream.

I have no trouble reading my screen, I can set the text size, I can set the backlight,
I can research or define any word or phrase on the spot.

As a writer, my main objective has always been to communicate, to get my message
across, I do not write to become famous, I do not write to make a profit,
writing is a creative pasttime and a medium I use to communicate and share.

My personal motto is: anything to get and keep people reading.

Whatever happens, at least Google has the balls to bring this issue to the table and
to make us aware of the current situation regarding copyright.

I hope this issue is resolved, I look forward to reading both traditional books and
e-books.

Long live the written word.
 
Sometimes there are those books which you can not find for the life of you. no matter how hard you try. i mean if i need to buy the Hardy Boys collection it will cost me over R10 000 and in a library i can barely even get a 10th of the collection.

Whereas if it were in digital format i would be PREPARED to even take out some money to read some books. i mean i have never heard a copyright owner have a problem with a library? you pay lets say R40 a year and you can read as many e-books as you want. (but then again thats where ads come in, i can personally vouch ads work without a doubt, and little money is not put into ads.)

I think it is fair. If they could only get the music/movie industries like this...
 
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