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ponder said:
No, you want to be the arbiter of what goes & what stays, you've made that clear.
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Comparing the Statue of Liberty or the Easter Island statues (i.e. statues of non descript individuals) with statues of actual people is a weak strawman argument.
 
EADC said:
Everything goes that Is an actual person and no new ones get erected. Simple. In public spaces.
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Pharaohs were actual people (and the sphinx is a representation of one of them).
Buddha was an actual person.
Jesus/Mary were actual people.
Ancestors were actual people, moai of easter island.

So these must all go, simple as that?
 
buka001 said:
Comparing the Statue of Liberty or the Easter Island statues (i.e. statues of non descript individuals) with statues of actual people is a weak strawman argument.
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Your ancestors were real people, the moai of easter island represent the ancestors of people.
Are jesus & mary non descript individuals, how bout buddha or pharaoh khafre...
 
Oh well, at this rate they should erect a statue of George Floyd in Minneapolis then.
 
ponder said:
Pharaohs were actual people (and the sphinx is a representation of one of them).
Buddha was an actual person.
Jesus/Mary were actual people.
Ancestors were actual people, moai of easter island.

So these must all go, simple as that?
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Fukem gone, we don't need that ****.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Many on the Western left would secretly love to live under a Taliban regime. No dissent allowed, society frightfully earnest, reporting people who don't comply with the rules, no real fun allowed etc.
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Works both ways though. Right wingers are more likely to favour the death penalty and less inclined to support gay rights, so great fit with the Taliban.
 
abzo said:
Oh well, at this rate they should erect a statue of George Floyd in Minneapolis then.
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That's fine as long as they include his criminal record on the plaque.

But you can bet your ass we'll get Floyd statues.
 
EADC said:
Except not really but Cool story none the less.
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Nope, you share the same intolerant traits of things you don't approve of but you won't see it like that because you also think your way is the righteous way.
 
ponder said:
Your ancestors were real people, the moai of easter island represent the ancestors of people.
Are jesus & mary non descript individuals, how bout buddha or pharaoh khafre...
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Mary and Jesus are just religious myths. Icons that define a religion. The statues on Easter Island are all ubiquitous depictions, probably also for their religious iconography. They are defining elements of human history and culture showing how people were able to craft and transport such huge structures with seemingly impossible means.

Stark contrast to a statue of a specific slave trader who branded his slaves with a hot iron and sent 80 000 people to slavery, of which 19 000 (including children) died en route.

Or a Confederate General who was a traitor to a country and led soldiers into battle to defend his will to enslave people.
 
ponder said:
How are you gonna get the sphinx, statue of liberty, christ the redeemer, some monstrous buddas, easter islanders etc into buildings? And are you gonna explain to those people why you are removing their religious effigies protected under their human rights?
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Just limit it to memorial statues of people. Move them to graveyards (preferably under the sea) - the rest are fine and can stay where they are.
 
C4Cat said:
Just limit it to memorial statues. Move them to graveyards (preferably under the sea) - the rest are fine and can stay.
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Sorry, I still don't get why memorial statues should be removed? What's wrong with Lord Nelson in Trafalgar Square for instance? Tearing down a statue should be an act of correcting the historical record and signaling societal progress, like Lenin's statues. Otherwise it's just pointless vandalism.
 
cerebus said:
Sorry, I still don't get why memorial statues should be removed? What's wrong with Lord Nelson in Trafalgar Square for instance? Tearing down a statue should be an act of correcting the historical record and signaling societal progress, like Lenin's statues. Otherwise it's just pointless vandalism.
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Some people will not be happy until it is all destroyed and they see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
 
cerebus said:
Sorry, I still don't get why memorial statues should be removed? What's wrong with Lord Nelson in Trafalgar Square for instance? Tearing down a statue should be an act of correcting the historical record and signaling societal progress, like Lenin's statues. Otherwise it's just pointless vandalism.
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Lord Nelson is dead. What's wrong with putting him in a graveyard? Correcting the historical record and measuring societal progress is always a matter of opinion. To stop glorifying individual people, especially with statues, is a great signal of societal progress, in my opinion.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Many on the Western left would secretly love to live under a Taliban regime. No dissent allowed, society frightfully earnest, reporting people who don't comply with the rules, no real fun allowed etc.
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The left: "They don't want anyone to be different or follow different rules"
The right for hundreds of years: Racism, sexism, homophobia, religious conflict, classism, "communists", .....
 
STS said:
The left: "They don't want anyone to be different or follow different rules"
The right for hundreds of years: Racism, sexism, homophobia, religious conflict, classism, "communists", .....
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Martin Luther King Jr was routinely called a communist/marxist to denounce his work during the Civil rights era.

It is the go to slur of intellectually bankrupt agitators who have run out of an argument.
 
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