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EADC said:
As well intended this is it futile, there is no hope for some they will find any sliver to find hate no matter what.
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Emotional arguments from both sides.
Hate vs Love I suppose?

It is definitely not Hate vs reason.

Edit: and to view it as love is dependent on which side of the fence you stand. There's no love for the opposite team.
 
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I meant do you see this artwork as logical? :D not the individual, the target audience
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There is no logic used that's exactly my point.
That artwork is definitely set to evoke emotion.

As I am more conservative I get disgust from it, because it can invoke a feeling of disgust in more conservative people maybe the far left looks at it and for them it's rainbows and unicorns. I don't don't know. (Here I might have assumed incorrectly that you actually support the cartoon.)

It clearly shows everything that is wrong on the far left.
 
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Labeling antifa as a "terrorist organization" means the US is run and governed by fascism.
This reminds me of when Chinese government goes after Falun Gong practitioners
 
abzo said:
Most importantly, did the push cause the fall or just contribute to it? We need the toxicology reports to determine if something in his system made him unsteady. A normal person wouldn’t fall from a push like that.
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This is exactly what Jabs sounds like. :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 
ghoti said:
Labeling antifa as a "terrorist organization" means the US is run and governed by fascism.
This reminds me of when Chinese government goes after Falun Gong practitioners
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No it does not, antifa is a communist militant organization that occationally engages in terrorism...... it says it's mainly against facism but it's real goal is revolution.
 
konfab said:
I am shocked that you are offended by this. All these cops were doing was removing one of those evil and privilaged old white men from society.
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Lol at your funny strawmen.

I am shocked at your silence over Authoritarian abuses by the government.
 
rietrot said:
The Fsck the police crowd certainly blame all police, you implied it, but I'm now happy that you thought about it for a minute and realised it was wrong.
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Umm I implied that HunterNW was blaming all. I didn’t think about it for a minute and realize it was wrong because I’ve always known it’s wrong to blame an entire group for the actions of a few.
 
Craig said:
Wow, some great mental gymnastics there.
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Man, I wish I could find those videos. If his knee was on the man's back like it should've been. Nothing would've been amiss with the situation. That is how policemen calm someone down. They put them on the floor and ensure they cannot move.
 
ghoti said:
Labeling antifa as a "terrorist organization" means the US is run and governed by fascism.
This reminds me of when Chinese government goes after Falun Gong practitioners
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Nazi.= National socialist german workers party.

North Korea. = Democratic people's republic of Korea.

Antifa = Anti fascist.

We generally have well established definitions of words, we can look at north Korea and compare that with our definition of democracy and decide. Ja, no. That's not democracy even though they call themselves democratic.

People that make this stupid argument that antifa are just anti fascist have a problem, because they are most likely socialist and therefore Nazis and therefore fascist.

The anti-fascist, fascist.

This is the situation you can put yourself in with emotional reasoning.
 
A look into the insanely militarized training US police are getting these days - from 2017:

www.motherjones.com

"Are you prepared to kill somebody?” A day with one of America’s most popular police trainers

The dark vision of "killology" expert Dave Grossman.
www.motherjones.com www.motherjones.com

“Are You Prepared to Kill Somebody?” A Day With One of America’s Most Popular Police Trainers

The dark vision of “killology” expert Dave Grossman.

Marching around the stage in a theater in Lakeport, California, Lt. Colonel Dave Grossman tells his audience that they shouldn’t go out looking for people to kill, because those who need killing—the “gangbangers,” terrorists, and mass murderers—will come to them. All they need to do is be ready. “Are you prepared to kill somebody?” he asks me and the small group of “armed citizens” who’ve paid $90 or more to see him. “If you cannot answer that question, you should not be carrying a gun.”

The military has long taught its troops to kill through a process of conditioned response—aim, shoot, aim, shoot—that’s meant to override the part of the brain that asks, “Should I be doing this?” By refining this approach, Grossman and others claim, the US military boosted its kill ratio—the percentage of frontline soldiers who actually shoot to kill—from between 15 and 25 percent during World War II to as much as 100 percent during the Vietnam War. (These figures and the scholarship behind them have been fiercely debated.) Grossman takes this a step further. Rather than simply conditioning soldiers and police officers to shoot without hesitation, he teaches them to embrace their responsibility to kill. “Killing’s not the goal,” he cautioned in a 2004 interview with Frontline. “But we all understand that killing is the likely outcome.”
 
And while the sheep keep heatedly arguing over things of emotion instead of fact the sheppard calmly leads them tho the slaughtering poles....... the dogs keeping them in line are happy no matter what happens.
 
Vorastra said:
Of course it was ruled a homicide. It's the use of language. It wasn't a natural introduction of external mental stress. If a person walked into a room, and got surprised by people jumping from behind a cupboard, and then had a heart attack, that would be ruled a homicide...

A better example: If a policeman arrests you and you get worked up about it and then trigger your heart condition. That's a homicide and yet not the fault of the policeman though.
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Okay, even if we assume the act of kneeling on his the man's neck wasn't a contributing factor, the man was having a heart attack - not only did the cop refuse to render assistance to the man, he actively prevented anyone else from offering first aid to him - assistance might have made the difference between him living or dying.

That in itself is worthy of a murder charge...
 
cerebus said:
A look into the insanely militarized training US police are getting these days - from 2017:

www.motherjones.com

"Are you prepared to kill somebody?” A day with one of America’s most popular police trainers

The dark vision of "killology" expert Dave Grossman.
www.motherjones.com www.motherjones.com

“Are You Prepared to Kill Somebody?” A Day With One of America’s Most Popular Police Trainers

The dark vision of “killology” expert Dave Grossman.

Marching around the stage in a theater in Lakeport, California, Lt. Colonel Dave Grossman tells his audience that they shouldn’t go out looking for people to kill, because those who need killing—the “gangbangers,” terrorists, and mass murderers—will come to them. All they need to do is be ready. “Are you prepared to kill somebody?” he asks me and the small group of “armed citizens” who’ve paid $90 or more to see him. “If you cannot answer that question, you should not be carrying a gun.”

The military has long taught its troops to kill through a process of conditioned response—aim, shoot, aim, shoot—that’s meant to override the part of the brain that asks, “Should I be doing this?” By refining this approach, Grossman and others claim, the US military boosted its kill ratio—the percentage of frontline soldiers who actually shoot to kill—from between 15 and 25 percent during World War II to as much as 100 percent during the Vietnam War. (These figures and the scholarship behind them have been fiercely debated.) Grossman takes this a step further. Rather than simply conditioning soldiers and police officers to shoot without hesitation, he teaches them to embrace their responsibility to kill. “Killing’s not the goal,” he cautioned in a 2004 interview with Frontline. “But we all understand that killing is the likely outcome.”
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It goes hand in hand with the attitude being taught to most cops in the US...

"Get home alive at the end of the day" and "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6"

Policing is a dangerous profession (yet still not in the top ten in the US) but cops are being taught that their first duty is to themselves, not to the public that they serve.
 
Cray said:
It goes hand in hand with the attitude being taught to most cops in the US...

"Get home alive at the end of the day" and "Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6"

Policing is a dangerous profession (yet still not in the top ten in the US) but cops are being taught that their first duty is to themselves, not to the public that they serve.
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Nothing wrong with that in itself, the problem is the hatered for criminals actual job experience creates. It's the combo that creates problems.
 
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