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Getting a number off the National Consumer Database

ettubrute

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#21
Actually, it is worse than I thought: I have only one debt at this point in my life, and that is the bond. All other debts where paid up a year before I got this bond, thus (AFAIK) the only credit institution that has my new address is the bank. Since I have not defaulted on the bond, why would my updated details be with the credit bureau? If all debt has to be listed with them, that means they are administering the National Credit Register for the government, and are thus in effect a government department, right? So, does that make the government responsible for the spam I get? Can I start a class action against them?
 
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#22
I've been getting cold calls on my cell phone from bunches of companies, all of whom think that I'm somebody I'm not - and always the same person. None of them check my name and ID though - they just start talking.

I finally asked one of them where they got my number from, and it turned out to be this infernal National Consumer Database.

Does anyone know how to get a number off of the NCD once it's on there - especially since I NEVER checked any box that said they could have my number - someone else put my number on under their name, or someone typed it wrong, or something.
I have exactly the same problem and it's driving me CRAZY. I get calls on my cell Every Single Day for someone else and every time the number comes up as unknown, so I answer it, just in case the call actually is for me and is important.

Are there like 4 milllion different database companies I have to call to put an end to this harassment? The next person to call me asking for Martha is going to get a huge F OFF from me in their ear. This is SERIOUSLY stressful.
 

Sackboy

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#23
I have exactly the same problem and it's driving me CRAZY. I get calls on my cell Every Single Day for someone else and every time the number comes up as unknown, so I answer it, just in case the call actually is for me and is important.

Are there like 4 milllion different database companies I have to call to put an end to this harassment? The next person to call me asking for Martha is going to get a huge F OFF from me in their ear. This is SERIOUSLY stressful.
We all get them. What I find most irritating is that when they realise you can;t speak their language and the number is wrong, without exception - they slam down the phone. I try and do it first, but only after I pretend to talk like a Chinaman on acid for a few seconds.:D
 
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#24
They don't slam down the phone on me until I've abused them for about 10 minutes demanding to speak to their 'supervisors' who are as elusive as the Database itself.
Problem is, I know the person they're trying to reach. She was my domestic worker about 3 years ago and used my cell as a reference when she opened her Ackermans account.
I'll be phoning Ackermans next to abuse them if I can just get past the damn call centre staff!!!
 

extremespec

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#26
I am also getting these calls from Cell C Direct etc .Each time it a different person ,makes you want to go off, the deep end .When you have already told them you not interested in there offers.They just keep pressing my number.
 

Sackboy

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#27
They don't slam down the phone on me until I've abused them for about 10 minutes demanding to speak to their 'supervisors' who are as elusive as the Database itself.
Problem is, I know the person they're trying to reach. She was my domestic worker about 3 years ago and used my cell as a reference when she opened her Ackermans account.
I'll be phoning Ackermans next to abuse them if I can just get past the damn call centre staff!!!
10 MINUTES. Glory, your abuse skills need honing :p
 

rebel998

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#28
I often get these calls. And the caller can be quite persistant. I now simply put the phone down in their ears.:D
 

Pieter2008

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#29
Telephone solicitations:

Sean: Hello?

Solicitor: Hi, this is the XYZ Company, and I'd like to tell you about a great new way we have to help save you money...

Sean: Excuse me. Is this a solicitation?

Solicitor: Well, yes; I'd like to tell you about...

Sean: Just a moment. I'll be happy to listen to your solicitation, but I do charge for my time. Advertising time on this line is $5 for the first minute and $2 for each additional minute. Let me get your billing address first, and then I'll be happy to listen.

Solicitor: (Pause, baffled) Let me get my supervisor.
 

fusion01

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#30
>: Have a look at http://www.dmasa.org

I have added myself to the list months ago, and just got a call regarding some wireless 3g service I have no interest in. I was referred to the 'national consumer database'... lol. A 'generic' reply if ever I heard one.

Point is, maybe the DMASA entry did ***koll and I'm now destined to continue this marketing anal probe.
 

fusion01

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#31
Telephone solicitations:

Sean: Hello?

Solicitor: Hi, this is the XYZ Company, and I'd like to tell you about a great new way we have to help save you money...

Sean: Excuse me. Is this a solicitation?

Solicitor: Well, yes; I'd like to tell you about...

Sean: Just a moment. I'll be happy to listen to your solicitation, but I do charge for my time. Advertising time on this line is $5 for the first minute and $2 for each additional minute. Let me get your billing address first, and then I'll be happy to listen.

Solicitor: (Pause, baffled) Let me get my supervisor.
Classic, I will try this one :)
 

fusion01

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#32
This "National Consumer Database" is just a bullshirt that telemarketers are trained to refer to. Companies with big lists of consumers trade lists, buy and sell them and whatever. Many telemarketing companies buy their data from a company called ETL, who do nicely targeted extracts off their database for between R1 and R2 per ID number, depending on volume, haggling, etc. The credit bureaux will take your list of ID numbers and "refresh" the contact data for about 50c a record, to ensure you have up-to-date data. So much for privacy. They, of course, are getting updated records monthly from their big retailer subscribers, so it all works jolly well. So, if your telemarketers get one sale every 30 calls, the data cost is about R60.

ETL do allow you to remove your details offa their lists at:

http://www.etl.co.za/

:eek::eek:
This is like a spam page, where you probably are either opting in or telling them you're alive and kicking. Anyway - if it actually does work as it should - note now the page is not encrpyted. No certificate. Fancy your ID number falling into the wrong hands? Nope, thought not.

http://www.etl.co.za/remove.htm (should be illegal to ask for your personal details without encryption / a certificate involved)
 

mcmdebeer

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#33
More people selling private info

Also had a call today claiming they get my details of the National Consumer Database, but then she wants to tell me although she got my details off the list "now", I already have taken out insurance with them...that it where I stopped her and ripped a strip off her.

The calls are just getting more-and-more by the month...where are the best places to "moan" the most, with the hope they will start looking at this more seriously and protect the consumer. I know, working at the newspapers years ago...they used to sell databases of subscribers as well...so many companies seem to be doing it.

Can't help but think it is because I sent a scathing email to this email below I received yesterday...asking them how they can sell data when they don't have each person on that lists' consent:

Hi,

We are an established Data Brokering Company and due to a change in direction we have elected to sell all our business directory databases with re-sell rights.

Our portfolio consists of 7 databases as listed below.

Many of these are bespoke, sought after, databases. As a consequence of the change of direction in our business we do not wish to make a fortune from selling our databases to other brokers or businesses that may elect to use them for marketing purposes. This means we are able to offer our entire portfolio of 7 databases to you at Only R1999!

Our lists are 99% up to date and accurate, consist of no personal information and are populated from the public domain. (All are presented in Excel files for ease of use.)

We will only be selling these databases to TEN customers to maintain their integrity, so numbers are limited. This offer also ENDS AT CLOSE OF BUSINESS TODAY 10 MARCH 2011, so act fast to avoid disappointment!

Business Lists (SA)-
1-Gauteng Business List (1)1219 records with 1123 emails
COMPANY NAME/CONTACT PERSON/TELE/FAX/EMAIL/ADDRESS

2-Gauteng Business List (2) 2086 records with 1637 emails
COMPANY NAME/TELE/FAX/EMAIL/ADDRESS/WEBSITE

3-SA Business List 30 078 record with 8766 emails
COMPANY NAME/EMAIL/WEBSITE/TELE/FAX/LOCATION/INDUSTRY TYPE/CONTACT PERSON + POSTION/SIZE

4-Cape Town Business List 2786 records with 1401 emails
COMPANY NAME/ADDRESS/TELE/EMAIL

5-Western Cape Corporate Business List (Our best list!)
579 Companies with on average 3 contact people in different positions /company.
1887 unique email addresses
COMPANY NAME/INDUSTRY/AREA/STAFF SIZE/FLEET SIZE/TURN OVER/CONTACT PERSON/POSITION/EMAIL/TELE/FAX

Hospitality Lists (SA)-
6-Hospitality List (1) 8624 records (5000 with email)
SA Resorts, Guesthouses, hotels, Caravan/camp Parks, Backpackers and self-catering establishments
NAME/EMAIL/WEBSITE/TELE/FAX/ADDRESS/PROVINCE

7-Hospitality List (2) 7412 records with 7299 emails
SA Resorts, Guesthouses, hotels, Caravan/camp Parks, Backpackers and self-catering establishments
COMPANY NAME/EMAIL/TELE/CELL/ADDRESS/CONTACT PERSON

(We also have databases of schools, bottle stores, travel agents and doctors which we will throw in the deal for FREE!) –details of these can be provided.

So that’s ALL of the above and the EXTRA’S for only R1999!

PLEASE NOTE:
This email is not spam, it was manually sent by us, our sole purpose being to introduce ourselves to you with no obligation on your part.
Your email address was found to be publicly available and it has not been added to any list. If you wish to unsubscribe anyway, just reply with the word “unsubscribe

Yours Sincerely,
Graham Naude
Sales Executive
Mobile: 072 144 2588
Email: graham@eezimarketing.com
:mad::mad::mad:
 

Piesang

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#34
I thought that this was illegal these days. Getting calls from companies selling stuff. Apparently they got my number from the National Consumer Database.

I don't remember giving them any permission to hand out my detail to anyone.

I sommer sue them bloody *ss.
 

DeSLAM

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#39
I know I am bumping an old thread - but the "national consumer database" doesn't exist.

The lists are all purchased via data brokering companies. These companies mine the net and other places for your personal information.

The domain nationaloptout.co.za belongs to a company called "Computer Facilities - Direct Marketing Specialists" in Randburg.

The DMASA Opt Out Service only works if the direct marketer is a member of DMASA.
 
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