Grass not always greener

As mentioned I think the experience of moving abroad depends a lot on the individual. Things are different in the UK/AUS/US than here in almost every aspect. You will have no family support structure and initially no friends to relate to. These types of changes are one of the most difficult things to adapt to. Here in SA, even though you might hate your job, hate the government and the prospects of the country, you can still go "home" after work, do what makes you feel comfortable, have a braai etc. Over there you have to work on those things and get used to it, apart from falling in with your new work culture. And if you feel you cant cope you have very little if any support structure to fall back on.

That being said, some people absolutely thrive on change and new environment. Usually these people are also younger, unmarried and without kids. You also have to factor in what I would call "dispensible years" which is pretty much anything below 28 years of age, maybe 30. In that age gap you kind of have nothing to lose, and write it all down to life experience.

After age 30, it is very dangerous and difficult to make such a move in the hope of having a better life overseas of you feel you are not on par in SA. If you do decide to leave though, it needs to be long term else you will likely come back dissapointed and put back another 2 years. Cguy had the right idea...keep at it for a few years and build yourself up like you would in SA.

Many people will testify bringing back savings and having travelled all over while working overseas for 2 or 3 years. But they dont often tell how they had to cut down, live in a small flat and eat egg on toast most days. If I had to do that in SA I would also have money to save and for travel.

I am still for moving abroad though, and probably still would, but it should be with the right reasons and with a realistic expectation. It is not a sureway to boost yourself (at least not immediately)
 
Regarding house sizes, I assume that can't be any worse either. We paid 690k here for what's basically a glorified flat
Actually it can be worse. That (very small) 1 bedroom I'm in...goes for about 10 mil zar.

Its the wrong side of insane...
 
Experiences away from the country of your birth are absolutely relative. It also depends on the motivation behind leaving.

I lived in Scotland for a year as a student and although it was initially hard to settle into the culture after a couple of months it was a fantastic and eye-opening experience. It certainly did help that it is an Anglophone country (but beware the Glaswegian accent :P).

I am currently in the Netherlands and have been here for about 6 months. It has been a little harder to integrate - mostly because of the difficulty of trying to adapt to Dutch culture. They are very direct and for a Saffa it might come off as being downright rude. It also helps to learn and to embrace the language. Knowing Afrikaans does give you an advantage.

One needs to realise that wherever you might find yourself outside of South Africa that it is not South Africa. If you keep on comparing your current experience and situation to SA you will be sorely disappointed through focusing on the negatives. Embrace the wonderful opportunity that living outside your comfort zone presents you with.

I agree you can't compare, places are vastly different and all have their pros and cons. I think, however, that threads like this divulge valuable info on how some things are good and some are bad in other countries so if people are planning on making the move they can see that all roses have thorns :) that said I think most people are happy with their choices, you do have to have a strong power of will to accept your choices and make the best of them through good times and bad.
 
I have tried the overseas thing. Not for me I am afraid.
Despite the problems, this country does offer the best kind of lifestyle there is.

NZ is one of the worse places to move to. And in case you are wondering, that door is now shutting on South Africans- I know this because my relatives live there, and we have tried unsuccessfully to get their immediate family over. They have not said it, but the writing is on the wall they have had enough of us. Australia will eventually follow suit.

And before you think its nice and wonderful in AUS, think again. I have a close friend in Mornington Peninsula. He says my internet connection at home rocks, compared to his. Over there, Telstra is worse than Telkom, and YouTube uploads are very difficult to do, because of their great firewall and nanny state spy machine. You can also forget about keeping a car once it gets to a certain age. Want to have a good old SA style braai in your yard? Forget it, you could be fined, especially in the dry season. And you cry when its 32 degrees here.. Try 41-43 degrees C in the hottest summer months. Many South Africans hate aircons... what are you going to do there, when you need one to survive?

So before you even consider this, remember, you've really got it good here. I am well-traveled too, I would say that if I really get forced out of here, i would settle in Asia, that would probably be the closest I can get to living in SA even by a smidgeon.

Mornington peninsula is out in the sticks bud, It's like owning a game farm in limpopo and wondering why you can't get your dialup to work. Comparatively I have a 20mbps, uncapped that I enjoy torrenting everyday on for the equivalent of R650 a month. Telstra is a pretty ****ty network, but you have the option of about 4 or more providers, I have gone with Optus personally. Never had any problems uploading anything anywhere and haven't run into the "great firewall or nannystate spy machine" yet. Have had tons of braais so far without any problems, they do have some restrictions in the dry season when it could be a fire hazard and there are fires blazing - the fire fighters are busy and don't need more reason to be over encumbered. It only gets to 40 degrees some days - region dependent obviously.

I think you have had a bad experience as well as receiving bad second hand info from a friend that chose a silly place to live and using that as a basis for why Aus is bad. Don't get me wrong, some things suck here, but it's not nearly as bad as you paint it to be.
 
Do not ask what is in your sausage, just eat and enjoy in blissful ignorance.

or as they say - wat maak nie dood nie, maak vet.

As long as it tastes good to me I'm really not too concerned as to what is in it.
 
I am sick of the sore losers who come here to moan about how life sucks overseas etc etc..
It isn't easy, anybody with a brain knows that. But the more pressing question is- is this lifestyle change, and change in outlook, amenable to one's current life outlook?

In my case it isn't. Henceforth I live in South Africa. If you make it good overseas, good, great, well done.. Whooohoo.
Don't talk down to me and tell me I am living in a "****hole" and "Zimbabwe 2.0". I know this continent is going to hell, but if I manage to exist comfortably, leave me the hell alone, let me get on with the business of making a living.
 
Anybody moved to Dublin in Ireland ?

Considering it, because it is VISA free for South African passport holder and when you married to British passport holder you can work there also. Just need to pay 300 euro so that you can stay longer than 30 days.

I am loving internet prices in ireland, 60 euro a month for 360mps FTTH line from virgin!
 
I am sick of the sore losers who come here to moan about how life sucks overseas etc etc..
It isn't easy, anybody with a brain knows that. But the more pressing question is- is this lifestyle change, and change in outlook, amenable to one's current life outlook?

In my case it isn't. Henceforth I live in South Africa. If you make it good overseas, good, great, well done.. Whooohoo.
Don't talk down to me and tell me I am living in a "****hole" and "Zimbabwe 2.0". I know this continent is going to hell, but if I manage to exist comfortably, leave me the hell alone, let me get on with the business of making a living.

Stop being so petulant. Immigration is a hot topic at the moment. When people come here to talk about their experiences it is to share and there are people who are interested. It's not always about you.

I do like to talk about my experiences partly because I hope that they can help someone else out.

So if threads on emigration piss you off - ignore them. Stop talking rubbish about other countries when you have no experience living there personally.
 
The same answer I give to people who argue with me about religion- The truth always hurts, it inflames, people don't like hearing it

There is a difference between blind faith and people actually relating their physical experiences with you. You also seem to be ignoring the posts where we are also relating the negative aspects of the move.

I'd say that eithe you are jealous or you were one of those people who just couldn't adapt to a new environment.
 
The same answer I give to people who argue with me about religion- The truth always hurts, it inflames, people don't like hearing it

Surely the people actually living there now have more experience and credence than you?

It might give your view more weight if you said when you lived there, and for how long.
 
Personally its not for me because its too laid-back, it reminds me of that rural dorpie in the free state. There's not much to do, and the other factors mentioned in posts above pertaining to lifestyle and culture changes don't fit with me.

I guess it depends on what kind of lifestyle you enjoy and your age.
I know many people from my cycling forum that moved to NZ and love the more active outdoor lifestyle. Sure it rains a lot there but people adapt to it.
 
It boils down to where one feels comfortable and where they fit in.

2 people can go to exactly the same place, experience the same things, and for one person that experience will be life changing and positive, while for the other it will be negative, dull and uninteresting.

I agree with Kilgore_Trout_Redux regarding immigration being a hot topic and there is a lot of interest in the subject etc, I must also agree with Randy_The_Squirrel in that there is this rather ugly boring tendency of some of those who have succesfully left, to continually spew negatives about living in SA.
 
...there is this rather ugly boring tendency of some of those who have succesfully left, to continually spew negatives about living in SA.

I don't think that we spew more negativity than people who have decided to stay. I do seem to spend a lot of time debunking myths and legends of how rubbish the rest of the world is in comparison to South Africa.
 
I don't think that we spew more negativity than people who have decided to stay. I do seem to spend a lot of time debunking myths and legends of how rubbish the rest of the world is in comparison to South Africa.

you have a point, the posters that post with such earnest authority and apparent knowledge of how bad xxxxxx country is and how they would never live there (without ever visiting, or maybe after a holiday/short stay) is quite funny.
 
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